Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nay Nay


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 01:22, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Nay Nay

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Tagged it for notability a few days ago. When the tag was removed today without any improvements on establishing notability, decided to see if I could find any sourcing. Couldn't. Now, the commonality of the expression this rapper chose for his stage name made research difficult, but I couldn't find a single in-depth reference from an independent, reliable source on any of the search engines: News, Newspapers, Books, Highbeam, (and I did do Scholar - just in case). Even when adding "Rapper" to the search, no results. Based on the info in the article, he doesn't pass WP:MUSICBIO. Based on the username of the editor who created the article, this might be an autobiography. The single review currently in the article is from a site which I am not sure passes as a reliable source.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:35, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:35, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:35, 6 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete only four hits on google for "nay nay rapper" or "rapper nay nay", none of them reliable sources, everything else comes up blank. Utterly fails WP:MUSICBIO in every possible way. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 22:14, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep Nay Nay passes WP:MUSICBIO criteria #7 (Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city). I see multiple independent secondary sources relating to him, but due to the commonality of his stage name, more specific keywords should be used to better find results. For example, he is currently featured on WNVZ's Shaggfest website, which is promoting a music festival performed at the biggest venue in the state of Virginia (Veterans United Home Loans Amphitheater), alongside other notable artists such as Diplo, Travis Scott, Pusha T, Lil Dicky, Daya, Rotimi, and Eric Stanley (violinist). "#Shaggfest" was a topic trending worldwide on twitter with Nay Nay on the lineup. His collaborative works with Funk Volume artists Hopsin and SwizZz also passes WP:MUSICBIO criteria #10 (Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc.) to my understanding.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nrs1994 (talk • contribs) 05:44, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - The WNVZ is not an independent reference, being a promotional site for the festival. Regarding #7, there's no indication this is an accurate statement, that this artist is one of the most prominent representatives, and even if that assertion could be proved, you leave out the second half of that criteria, which states: "note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability." This artist clearly doesn't meet those standards. Regarding #10, nothing to indicate this.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:09, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as nothing actually suggesting solidly better, the listed coverage is especially simply not convincing. SwisterTwister   talk  05:49, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm not seeing how the subject comes close to passing WP:MUSICBIO.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 21:25, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep The subject passes WP:MUSICBIO to my understanding. I just read an article about him here (http://soundspurple.com/up-coming-artist-nay-nay/). I would also consider his songs with Hopsin and SwizZz as qualifications for WP:MUSICBIO criteria #10 as they are well known by Funk Volume fans. I've also seen that he has performed live with Hopsin and opened for Funk Volume member Dizzy Wright, both well known acts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basostak (talk • contribs) 20:43, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep The subject passes WP:MUSICBIO. The subject is notable and the page is informative and unbiased, meeting Wikipedia´s standards. BeachGirl757 (talk • contribs) 17:49, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep I looked at the sources covering this subject and it appears to satisfy WP:MUSBIO in sections 1 and 7. Though some significant work would need to be done, to find more sources, I say keep. Lovermusicr28 19:41, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - you didn't address any of the issues regarding either #1 or #7. Simply saying something is true doesn't make it true.  Onel 5969  TT me 01:16, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - I've yet to see one reliable source commenting on him, rather than merely being mentioned in various blogs. I'd also like to note my alarm at the article using Last.fm as a source of information (rather than just an external link or whatever), speaking as a habitual user of it myself. For goodness sake, anyone can write anything on Last.fm and the odds of editorial oversight are slim to none. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:13, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nakon  03:04, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm also yet to see reliable sources mentioning him, rather than merely being mentioned in various blogs. Vinay089 (talk) 03:53, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - Outside of the various blogs (that not only mention the subject, but rather go into much detail about him), I have found both newspaper and television news reports on the subject, as well as information about the subject on other platforms, including (but not limited to) a major radio station website and main live event websites. There most definitely are reliable sources on this subject. Nrs1994 (talk) 02:49, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Well, this AfD for a non-notable rapper has been flooded with SPA's. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 12:27, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete The "We need to find good sources" argument doesn't work, because there are no good sources. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 12:32, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment Here are the sources that I found:

And that's it. This article will almost certainly not survive with its current sources, no RS's, most WP:MILL or very local. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 12:37, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) http://www.thedominioncollective.com/2015/03/18/virginia-beach-independent-rapper-nay-nay-and-singer-songwriter-bryan-mahon-to-perform-shaggfest-2015-this-summer/ - not an RS, is a WP:MILL piece about a local performance.
 * 2) - A couple news articles about an unrelated female rapper
 * Comment Just because you ignore the fact that there are other sources does not mean that the other sources do not exist. For example, here is a newspaper article from just the other day about the subject: http://www.dailypress.com/entertainment/dp-fea-shaggfest-0520-20160519-story.html. He was on the televised news literally yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8BeQKYs8YI. There certainly are reliable sources about this subject, just look a little harder for them. Nrs1994 (Talk) 10:08, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Youtube is not a reliable source. I also doubt that the daily press is. Also, all of these seem to be WP:MILL sources, coverage which is normally expected for a person, read WP:RS. ThePlatypusofDoom  (Talk) 20:42, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete A couple of YouTube videos and some routine press coverage don't warrant an article on the subject. Fails GNG. Omni Flames   let's talk about it  04:09, 22 May 2016 (UTC)


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