Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nazanin Ash


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus and I don't see an additional relist solving that with well-reasoned opinions from both POVs. If editors find merit, a discussion as to whether a redirect is appropriate can continue editorially. Star  Mississippi  01:15, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Nazanin Ash

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Notability is not evident. Lack of reliable independent of the subject sources with good coverage. Driodr (talk) 17:03, 5 October 2022 (UTC) UPE spammer strike. MER-C 19:14, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. As article creator. Notability is established in the following, independent, reliable sources, as per WP:GNG:
 * 1) She is spoken about four times in Bass, E. (2021). To End a Plague: America's Fight to Defeat AIDS in Africa. United States: PublicAffairs.
 * 2) She is written about three times here: https://www.niskanencenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Salehyan-Niskanen-Center_September-2019.pdf
 * She's an expert that is often quoted in the news, you can find many examples of this in news, via Google books and via Google scholar. CT55555 (talk) 17:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:24, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Women,  and Health and fitness. TartarTorte 18:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete She's quoted as an expert on xyz topic as here but nothing is about her. Rest are PR sources. Oaktree b (talk) 23:01, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Reviewing GNews, she is quoted a lot, in a variety of roles. And she was named one of "DC's Most Influential" by The Washingtonian in 2022. Beccaynr (talk) 01:09, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Just want to add on top of this, she has also worked in very senior public roles for many notable organisations/government bodies:
 * Nazanin Ash is the vice president of policy and advocacy at the International Rescue Committee (IRC), overseeing the organization’s global policy and advocacy efforts.
 * She was a policy fellow at the Center for Global Development
 * Previously, she served as deputy assistant secretary in the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs, leading the US government’s Middle East Partnership Initiative.
 * Serving as chief of staff to the first director of Foreign Assistance, administrator of the United States Agency for International Development
 * Nazanin also worked for ActionAid Kenya, one of the largest rights-based non-governmental organizations in Kenya.
 * - https://www.cigionline.org/people/nazanin-ash/  GR 86  (📱) 21:19, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. CT55555 (talk) 13:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep A reliable source mentioned her as one of the most influential, so that's something. Finding anything about her is difficult since searching her name shows so many places that just quote her.   D r e a m Focus  09:18, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete Redirect As per Oaktree b, the individual lacks the in-depth coverage in independent sources needed to meet WP:NBIO. MrsSnoozyTurtle 21:01, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * A redirect to Welcome.US, as suggested by CT55555, seems like an appropriate WP:ATD. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:00, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep CEO of a notable organisation and has at least 3 RSs and I have also contributed to 2 additional sources which cover her notability.  GR 86  (📱) 10:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Comment Of course we now know that the nomination was undertaken by a spammer, but there is indeed one good faith argument for delete and one other good faith echo of that point. However, it just occurred to me that WP:ATD applies here, for example alternatives to deletion should be prioritized, and while I remain arguing to keep, Welcome.US would be a sensible redirect target, as she is the CEO of the org. i.e. I'm saying the most drastic solution here should be a re-direct. CT55555 (talk) 23:11, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Welcome.US - while it would appear she should be notable, there's not enough in-depth coverage to show that.  Onel 5969  TT me 22:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete or WP:ATD Redirect to the not that notable 2021 Welcome.US. Fails WP:NBIO. Wikipedia is not a "Whos who in the business world, nor a company list of CEO's of the corporate world. Every single company produces PR news on corporate personel. Read the Washingtonian's list of the 500 most influential people in Washington, DC, in 2022 about her. There is absolutely nothing as to why she would be influential in Washington or Wikipedia. Her "favorite Washington restaurant", "Professional challenge you’re overcoming", and other personal perspectives. One can find 748 Chief Of Staff jobs in Washington DC-Baltimore Area alone. One can find "11,000+ Chief Staff jobs in United States". Deputy Assistant Secretary is just a job, so is Vice President of Global Policy and Advocacy at the International Rescue Committee, while noble it does not reach the level to pass WP:NBIO. Wikipedia is suppose to be an encyclopedia not a business or job directory (what Wikipedia is not), Linked in, or Indeed. "A biography, or simply bio, is a detailed description of a person's life", not their college and business accomplishments. What we have is "Ash was born to parents from Iran", so maybe it is just too soon for her to have a biography of a living person article. -- Otr500 (talk) 10:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Additional comment Of two remaining delete votes (one changed, one was stuck), one of them was made when the article was 5.3k in length. It's now 9.1k in length. It's obviously not WP:HEY territory, but I felt it worth mentioning that at least three editors have improved the article since the deletion suggestion. CT55555 (talk) 00:40, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - although the sources don't strictly meet the GNG, this is one of those very rare cases where we can just say "it's just a guideline" and let common sense take over per WP:IAR. As User:Onel5969 said above it appears she should be notable but there's not enough in-depth coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. The content is all well referenced and in my judgement is of sufficient volume to justify a stand-alone article. W</b><b style="color:#97E">a</b><b style="color:#86D">g</b><b style="color:#75C">ge</b><b style="color:#83C">r</b><b  style="color:#728">s</b><small  style="color:#080">TALK  13:02, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - the sources do not meet GNG, BASIC or other notability guideline. Substantial content is referenced to employer profiles and her statements, which is essentially WP:PROMO that should be excluded per WP:N. There appears to be insufficient secondary support for an article at this time, but I have no objection to a redirect as an ATD. Beccaynr (talk) 13:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


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