Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ndaba Mandela (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Yunshui 雲 水 11:07, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Ndaba Mandela
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Subject is not notable independent of his grandfather, Nelson Mandela. Provided coverage consists of interviews with the subject on the topic of his grandfather (including a book that the subject wrote about Nelson Mandela, which does not appear to be notable enough to qualify the subject via WP:NAUTHOR). Coverage online appears to be more of the same, although I was able to find this coverage in the NY Daily News which attests that the subject won an award of dubious notability and was profiled as part of a BET feature. I was able to find BET's coverage, which appears to be almost entirely an interview with the subject and is thus not sufficiently independent to satisfy notability guidelines. He's cooperated with celebrities to promote AIDS awareness, but coverage of Mandela in relation to this is not in-depth. He's also the founder of the Africa Rising foundation, which does not appear to be notable (note: there are several unrelated organizations that are also named Africa Rising). In sum, current coverage does not appear to pass WP:GNG–there's a lot of smoke here due to his connection to Nelson Mandela and his eagerness to defend his grandfather's legacy in the public eye, but no flame. signed,Rosguill talk 01:52, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep Notability is not inherited, but I believe there is coverage in reliable sources with regards to his campaigning on AIDS. There is a lot of significant coverage about his life growing up with Nelson Mandela, which although is clearly related to Nelson Mandela they are specifically about Ndaba's own experiences. I think this makes them notable in their own right. Polyamorph (talk) 21:23, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
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 * Weak Delete Notability is not inherited. User:Polyamorph Would you still think his work is 'notable' or meetings WP:GNG without the relation to Mandela? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LikeMeercats (talk • contribs) 17:32, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * As I said in my comment, the significant coverage about their own life, even though it is intertwined with Nelson Mandela's, make them notable in their own right. The important thing is there are reliable sources giving this person significant coverage. It's not someone who just happens to be Nelson Mandela's grandson and has kept out of the public eye, in which case I would agree that notability is not inherited. There is sufficient coverage to satisy WP:GNG. Polyamorph (talk) 09:12, 5 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep -- The two interviews, one from The Independent and the other from BET, are sufficient to establish notability. Before you all start going on about whether interviews are reliable sources keep in mind that that's not what we're talking about here.  No doubt interviews are not RS for facts about a subject, but they are perfectly reasonable indicators of a subject's notability.  Why are these mainstream high quality sources interviewing this guy if he's not notable? 192.160.216.52 (talk) 18:17, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Media sources generally don't follow WP:NOTINHERITED and are more than happy to interview people because they are related to more notable people. signed,Rosguill talk 18:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh. So? The point is that regardless of whether media sources follow any particular WP policies, if they choose to interview people, especially if more than one of them choose to interview people over time, then those people are notable.  We don't worry about why sources are choosing their interview subjects, only that they are choosing them. 192.160.216.52 (talk) 18:44, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, the Independent interview is primarily the subject talking about Nelson Mandela, so I'm not sure how much that counts. You may have a point about the BET interview, but I'd like to see what other editors have to say as well. signed,Rosguill talk 18:57, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If this person had kept out of the public eye, then sure, notability would not be inherited. But they are the subject of numerous reliable sources for their own experiences and charity work. So they are notable in their own right. Polyamorph (talk) 09:12, 5 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - this is an interesting discussion of WP:NOTINHERITED, I had to go re-read a policy I thought I knew. To the point that I found the line "Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG. [My underlining]. There is sufficient coverage across the articles, even if you filter out everything specifically said by the subject. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:54, 5 November 2018 (UTC)


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