Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Near (Death Note)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Death Note characters. Merging from history remains possible.  Sandstein  20:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Near (Death Note)

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This character does not appear to pass WP:NFICTION/GNG. Almost all is pure WP:PLOT outside of the 'creation and conception' section, but this is PRIMARY (based on article(s) by the character's creator), reception is limited to a single quote that is mostly about other characters anyway, and I am not seeing much else in my BEFORE. This is a manga/movie-only character, so very low visibility (outside Japan at least) compared to anime characters anyway. Maybe there's something in the Japanese sources? As far as I can tell ja wiki article does not have any more information/sources, so it's of little help. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:46, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
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 * It has long been argued that commentary from a work's creator is not primary, but secondary, transformative of the creator's thoughts. That said, they certainly aren't independent sources that are still required by WP:N. --M asem (t) 11:32, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree that such references certainly are not primary references. The primary reference is the fictional work itself. Other references about the work are not primary, even if they originate from the work's author or other entities associated with the author.
 * Now, such references are probably not WP:INDEPENDENT; and that is pertinent to a notability inquiry, But there's no WP:PRIMARY issue. TJRC (talk) 15:21, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


 * After reviewing, I'd suggest Merge to List of Death Note characters, which can take all of the development stuff (maybe need to take a bit of thinning but not removal) and the brief bit of reception, but should drastically trim the plot stuff. that list is getting a tad long but I don't want to see it lose the development stuff it has on most of the characters. --M asem (t) 20:42, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect - Development information is definitely good to have in an article, but there needs to be some kind of critical reception. TTN (talk) 12:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose deletion The character of Near has appeared in three separate literary works as well as live action adaptations. I think we need to flush out this character with specific references and citations of critical analysis. Let's not delete it just yet, but add the header that it needs additional references and details. -- GimmeChoco44 (talk) 10:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES is not the best argument. We are beyond it, as in - me and others, presumably, looked for them and failed to find any. Did you? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:13, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * When you say "We're beyond that", I wonder if we're rushing to judgment, with this suggestion for deletion being 1 week old.
 * The character is part of a duo of primary antagonists along with Mello_(Death_Note) which make up the second half of the serialized narrative. In the scope of Wikipedia's coverage of literary characters, I feel that Near merits an entry, albeit a revised and better developed entry than the current version. With the other character's Wikipedia entry continuing to develop, there will be an imbalance from the pov of readers and editors, and we'll be back to creating the characters page from zero in the future.
 * I'd suggest an intermediate step of calling for development (WP:ATD) before outright deletion. -- GimmeChoco44 (talk) 17:42, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You should check out WP:A&M/CHARACTERS on how successful character articles are created. The layout of the article is fine, but the problem is notability here. Reception should include as many reviews as possible, while the creation and conception section needs to include secondary sources. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:46, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a good resource. I'll take on the expansion of the article if we can avoid getting it speedily deleted.
 * How about a 30-day window to review & update?-- GimmeChoco44 (talk) 05:04, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think such extensions are usually applied to AfDs, but I am sure you can ask the closing admin to draftify it in your userspace instead of just deleting this. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:09, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Definitely. It's going to be a lot easier to modify the existing page than go through a prolonged process of bringing info back to the manga's character list before creating a new page with better sources in the future.
 * As I stated before, this character takes up a sizeable part of the narrative and there are multiple sources and commentary regarding Near and his counterpart Mello_(Death_Note), who still maintains his own separate page. The current page is lazy and needs to be updated asap. I'm confident it can recover and satisfy the notability and review requirements, but we need the as-yet-assigned admin to put the deletion on hold. -- GimmeChoco44 (talk) 11:13, 27 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of Death Note characters, this way at least the sources can be salvaged. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:00, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


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