Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nebulae (band)


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The result was delete. --BDD (talk) 23:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Nebulae (band)

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Vanispamcruftisement. Being part of abelton live community is not notable. Band lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Releases not on important label. Current sourcing is payplayfm, adverts, dead shop, dead interview, forum. Nothing good. A search found nothing better. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:15, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:NMUSIC rather miserably. Should have been kept deleted the first time, rather than embarrass them by going through an AFD   ES  &#38;L  11:19, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Current references are not in-depth and don't even help the article and numerous searches of my own including Google News provided nothing. There's not even an Allmusic.com page. I'm from the DFW area and have never heard of him (though to be honest, I'm not much of an electronica fan). Nothing to improve this article and it reads more like a resume or something he would put on his own website. SwisterTwister   talk  19:35, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - Nebulae is an Ableton Certified Trainer, as evidenced on Ableton.com, see http://www.ableton.com/en/education/certified-training/us/abid-hussain-new-orleans-la-and-dallas-tx/ There are fewer than 200 Ableton Certified Trainers in the world, which makes this credential an important independent third party verification, and therefore it is quite notable. Furthermore, Nebulae has helped me and countless others with music production techniques and tutorials over the past 10 years. His music has been released and enjoyed for more than 20 years. Just because you personally haven't heard of him doesn't make him lose noteworthiness. If you dig a little bit on Google and search for Nebulae and Porcelain Vortex Productions, you will see listings for Nebulae going back as far as 1995. Rather than delete this page, we should seek to improve it with updated links." Jb61264 talk • 00:46, 7 November 2013 (UTC)  — Jb61264 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * The thing is though that it isn't that we haven't heard of him, it's that there doesn't seem to be reliable third-party in-depth coverage such as news articles about him. Links like LinkedIn and personal websites aren't third-party because it would all be on the person's word. You can add references too, visit Help:Referencing for beginners to learn how to get started. SwisterTwister   talk  03:46, 7 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - Third party interview link was incorrect/dead and needs to be updated to http://regenmag.com/interviews/chlorophyll-interview-no-more-waiting/ In addition, Nebulae music is credited on numerous CDs and shows. See the soundtrack credit on this IMDB link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1516196/ Also, Nebulae is listed as a remixer for Dallas artist, Triprocket, who is indeed listed on Artistdirect.com at http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/window/media/page/0,,2706264-6552159,00.html (see the Nebulae remix and the Porcelain Vortex remix). The Triprocket remix album also contains Nebulae in the liner notes at http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7146380  I will update the wiki page to remove dead links and edit it for content. Do Not Delete.Omss6627  —Preceding undated comment added 04:25, 7 November 2013 (UTC)  — Omss6627 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep - I have updated the article with notable links to third party references and edited for style. The article now meets WP:NMUSIC Criteria for musicians and ensembles #10, as well as Others #1, in addition to numerous other third party links.Omss6627 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.191.148.4 (talk) 13:52, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Please note that you can only vote once. SwisterTwister   talk  16:37, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 01:01, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 01:01, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

- http://www.allmusic.com/album/thrills-and-chills-mw0000326449/credits - http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/putty-in-their-hands-thrills/id9584580 - http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7146380 Nebulae's remix of our song "Wild Life" was featured on MTV's "The Real World: New Orleans" in 2000. See http://www.broadjam.com/artists/songs.php?artistID=265&mediaID=388 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hokusspokuss2000 (talk • contribs) 12:03, 7 November 2013 (UTC) — Hokusspokuss2000 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep I am a founding member of Triprocket, a well-established band in Dallas. I can confirm that Nebulae is a band/artist that has existed and released music for more than 20 years. Specifically, Nebulae has provided multiple remixes for us that has been published by several independent labels, including well-established 10th Planet records in Dallas. See the following links:


 * Keep I am the Editor-in-Chief for ReGen Magazine, an independent and well respected online music magazine that has been publishing articles since 2002. I can verify that the article we published about Nebulae and Chlorophyll was lost in a hard drive crash in 2010, which is why the link was dead. We are fans of Nebulae and Chlorophyll, and we are more than happy to have republished the article in its original form at http://regenmag.com/interviews/chlorophyll-interview-no-more-waiting/ This artist is noteworthy and the wiki page should not be deleted. ReGenMagazine —Preceding undated comment added 15:39, 7 November 2013 (UTC)  — ReGenMagazine (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment - Thanks for the people above that added sources. However, sources like Discogs, iTunes and CDUniverse aren't considered good sources because they're simply album listings and don't talk about significant information about the artist. In-depth coverage is being coverered by a well-known local newspaper or even national newspaper, say, USA Today or New York Times. Even reliable music magazines will be acceptable as long as the magazine article contains good information. The best source currently used in this article is probably the ResidentAdvisor link because it at least contains some useful information. Everyone can have an iTunes or Discogs page but not everyone can get in-depth coverage, which is needed in this article and that is why Wikipedia has guidelines like these. SwisterTwister   talk  16:37, 7 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - Not everyone can get an IMDB credit for a television series. Nebulae has a soundtrack credit on the show "Crash" as the IMDB link shows, and Nebulae's music has appeared on MTV shows. This meets Wikipedia's stated guidelines for notability. Omss6627 —Preceding undated comment added 18:48, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, but there's no in-depth coverage for the soundtrack credit and most people don't anyway (under the radar and behind the scenes). Alot of people have an IMDb page but not all of them get in-depth coverage of good substance. Take Max Cooper (electronica musician) for example, that article has more substance and better references. SwisterTwister   talk  21:24, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Plenty of coverage in user-generated media, but no evidence of coverage in truly reliable sources. We can have an article when the band begins getting coverage in sources such as books or academic journals or government websites, or when the news media start covering them in a context other than reporting the news about them.  Nyttend (talk) 21:18, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - I'm an electronic music producer living in Dallas and I consider Nebulae to be one of the most, if not the most influential artists to the Dallas electronic music scene. When I moved from Chicago to Dallas in 2008 I left a city that created house music and found myself in a city with virtually no organized electronic music scene.  Today that is no longer the case and Nebulae is largely responsible for the change.  He is an artist that is well known and well respected in Dallas due to his many talents and his willingness to teach. I think the page should be kept to document and preserve the history of this artist because of his influence, past and present, in the electronic music scene.  As far as notoriety goes, I hope the editors will keep in mind the "underground" nature that is often desired and somewhat intrinsically predominant in electronic music scenes.  In my opinion everything on the page appears to be factual and does not read as self promotion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiWikiWikiShutUp (talk • contribs) 19:35, 10 November 2013 (UTC)  — WikiWikiWikiShutUp (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Though I also live in the DFW area, I'm not familiar with the electronica music club scene but I've never heard of him. I'm guessing alot of other people haven't heard of him either because there's not much coverage. See, that's also the thing, being "underground" and "appears factual" is unacceptable if there's isn't any significant and third-party sources. SwisterTwister   talk  04:42, 11 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Notice to debate closer - Although it seems the "keep" votes are outweighing the "delete", alot of these keep votes have yet to bring forth some significant third-party coverage (aside from the usual Discogs, iTunes, etc.) which is needed especially for an article that this much information. Comments proving they've worked with the subject and that he has been around for a long time don't change the fact that there's not much to improve the article. Again, I thank the "keep" users for their efforts and time but, if we accepted every article with a Discogs/iTunes/etc, Wikipedia would be very messy. I understand this artist has probably been ignored and thus there's not much coverage but those are the guidelines. SwisterTwister   talk  04:49, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
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