Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ned Goodwin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  12:19, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Ned Goodwin

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Inadequate evidence of notability, and clear evidence of promotionalism  DGG ( talk ) 07:11, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - The references contain no independent commentary at all, just what he has to say about himself. Yet another article about somebody who once went to Newington, which fails to meet GNG. --Gronk Oz (talk) 08:24, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 08:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 08:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep – Another Newingtonian of limited notability. However, this one seems to just pass GNG. He has a couple of articles written about him in the New York Times (in 2000 and 2013), a 2009 profile piece in the Sunday Herald Sun/Sunday Telegraph Magazine, an interview in Nikkei Weekly, and a handful of mentions in The Age/SMH over the years (Epicure, Good Food, Good Living, Sydney Magazine, Traveller). Some of the coverage is of questionable independence or trivial, but there seems to be enough good coverage there too to meet the bar. Kb.au (talk) 15:10, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete a review of the sources shows them to be human interist pieces at best, not the stuff we build notability on.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per coverage from above. I'm perplexed at the suggestion that a piece that is substantial, independent, and appears in a reliable source such as the NYT or SMH does not build towards notability just because it is 'human interest', whatever that is.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 00:40, 22 February 2018 (UTC).
 * Keep. Passes GNG and shows no evidence of promoting anything as all product references were previously removed. Castlemate (talk) 22:41, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 07:26, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I voted Delete before, and still think that is appropriate, because the references just don't stand up. Instead of talking in generalities, I checked out each one.  My comments on each one are:
 * - Ned Goodwin MW Retrieved 25 February 2018.: Profile written by the subject
 * - Why Japan has lost its MW Retrieved 25 February 2018.: No independent comments – just what the subject has to say about himself
 * - Australia's Wine List of the Year Awards – Judges Retrieved 25 February 2018.: Profile written by the subject
 * - Executive Style: Asian connection Retrieved 25 February 2018.: One sentence about the subject, followed by his comments about food & wine.
 * - Ned Goodwin hits Sydney for dinners at Ocean Room Retrieved 25 February 2018.: Not sure about this one – at first it looks like reasonable coverage by the Telegraph, but it reads just like a press release, down the same wording as his profiles elsewhere.
 * - Independent Wine Centre Retrieved 25 February 2018.: Profile written by the subject
 * - Newington College Register of Past Students 1863-1998 (Syd, 1999) pp75: List of students, does not contribute to notability.
 * - The Japan Times: A guide in wine is a friend indeed Retrieved 25 February 2018.: An interview where the subject talks about himself. No independent comments.
 * - Wine Searcher — q&A: Ned Goodwin MW Retrieved 25 February 2018: An interview where the subject talks about himself. No independent comments.
 * - Newcastle Herald: Frequent Flyer – Ned Goodwin Retrieved 25 February 2018.: An interview where the subject talks about himself. No independent comments.
 * So the only one which could possibly contribute to notability is the Telegraph article, and I think it is just echoing a press release.--Gronk Oz (talk) 14:25, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned above, there is other coverage not referenced in the article:
 * – "Tales from... TOKYO, JAPAN", Sunday Magazine – Sunday Herald Sun (8 Mar 2009) – In depth interview about subject's career, as well as personal life.
 * – "The Sommelier", Style Desk, The New York Times (24 Sep 2000) – Article about what clothes the subject wears.
 * – "Ned Goodwin has diploma to prove his expertise in wine", Nikkei Weekly (6 Sep 2010) – Profile on subject following awarding of Master of Wine certificate.
 * – "Q&A - Master of Wine NED GOODWIN", My Paper (13 Mar 2013) – Interview with subject about wine and location suggestions.
 * – "Airlines: Boutique Wines Aloft", Travel Desk, The New York Times (17 Mar 2013) – Short article talking about how subject has joined All Nippon Airways as a wine maker.
 * – "FREQUENT FLYER", Traveller, The Sydney Morning Herald (11 May 2013) – Light hearted interview with subject about travelling.
 * – "Masters of the (wine) universe", Epicure, The Age (24 May 2011) – Mentioned as an example of a sommelier who recieved widespread media attention and consultancy work after becoming an MW.
 * Notability is not based solely on included sources (see WP:BEFORE). Kb.au (talk) 23:27, 25 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.