Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ned Ryun


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:54, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Ned Ryun

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No claim of notability, nor evidence.

Specifically, none of the claims in the article (even if demonstrated to be correct) seem to meet WP:BIO (for example, there is no claim satisfying WP:POLITICIAN or WP:CREATIVE). With respect to being a speechwriter for Bush, in addition to the above point that this isn't a claim of political notability, it also is not a claim to notability based on closeness--see WP:BIO.

Additionally, the article des the organization that the subject is associated with does not demonstrate notability of that organization (stay tuned for tags and/or AfDs or speedys there).

Bongo matic  09:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not terribly excited about this article's prospects, but what criteria for claims and evidence are you using? WillOakland (talk) 09:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - president of a notable organisation, former writer for George W. Bush, co-founder of another organisation, and co-author of two books. Seems amply notable per WP:BIO. fish &amp;karate  11:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete (full disclosure:I had previously put a PROD tag on this article). When checking "What links here" Ned Ryun and the organization he's the head of only link to each other. Typically notable topics are more interlinked with other notable topics.--Appraiser (talk) 14:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Google lights up like a Christmas tree on a search. He's obviously well-known and controversial. Mangoe (talk) 15:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I did a search as well, and he is all over the web.  He has authored books, is a former speech writer for Bush, and is head of an organization.  Notability is easily established in this case.Yachtsman1 (talk) 00:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Google hits alone are insufficient; multiple, non-trivial, independent reliable sources discussing the subject are what are required, and I'm not seeing those. Being a speech-writer for someone else, famous or not, is not, alone, a sign of notability, nor is being head an organization, especially a non-notable one. Merely being an author of a book or two is also not, alone, a sign of notability. Adding these things up, I'm afraid, still doesn't bring him near the threshold for inclusion. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 01:09, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 05:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 05:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.