Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neek the Exotic


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was moved to Draft:Neek the Exotic. There is a clear consensus that this subject should not exist in mainspace in its current state. It can be improved in draftspace and submitted for review, or it will ultimately be deleted there if improvement is not forthcoming. BD2412 T 18:22, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Neek the Exotic

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Only reference to notability is that his picture is on the cover of a (notable) album, and that he appeared on a (also notable) single of another act. Does not seem enough for independent notability. Suggesting to delete per WP:TOOSOON. Dirk Beetstra T C 05:44, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * you're gonna delete something that I already started. I still need sometime to find more sources to expand this page. Ceedub88 06:03, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Too soon? He was out in the early '90s. Abductive  (reasoning) 07:45, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:20, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:20, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Speedy close without action. Articles should not be nominated for deletion on simple "not notable" grounds while the creator is still working away on them." The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.  Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong! (talk) 19:23, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Invalid vote. The nominator's reasoning is more complex than "simple 'not notable' grounds", after which someone else complained that the article is still being worked on. The rapper could be considered non-notable whether this article has been here for ten minutes or ten years. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 23:41, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

I know this not an easy thing to do but at least i'm trying to do so. there still enough to fill in some info Ceedub88 11:05, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftify - Article is still being worked on. Once the creator is finished with it, then revisit what should be done after that CiphriusKane (talk) 03:28, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Nominator comment - I can agree with a speedy draftify, but as it stands the article does not have claims to notability nor references that show that. --Dirk Beetstra T  C 05:43, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, or possibly Redirect to Large Professor. It does not matter that the article is still being worked on. Sending it to draft would be a dead end because it would not pass the process of graduating to the live Wikipedia. This rapper's only reliable media coverage comes from backing Large Professor on a single song. He has a few of his own releases and guest appearances on material by a few other rappers, but those have received no coverage beyond his own social media accounts, some unreliable blog-like interviews, and the usual retail services. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 23:37, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. Or possibly redirect to Main Source (since he's mostly known for appearing on their single). There isn't nearly enough notability here to keep (or even work on) this article. Blackjays1 (talk) 17:01, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see enough news coverage for this. Fails GNG Yaxı Hökmdarz (talk) 05:32, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftify. The article does not meet notability criteria but there is one energetic editor who states they are currently working on. I will AGF and !vote we send it back to the drawing board with the caveat that if it is submitted too soon and ends up back here, the !vote will be a strong delete. Ifnord (talk) 18:08, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. I found some quality RS which could be used toward meeting MUSICBIO and SIGCOV. More importantly, one only has to look at Billboard for the months of August, September, and October 1999 to see that he had a charting single on a national music chart for 10 weeks which means he clearly passes criteria 2 of WP:MUSICBIO.4meter4 (talk) 19:02, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Quality independent source/ Review of album Exotic's Raw (which clearly wasn't released in 2003 as we have a review in a London magazine from 1998; there's obviously something off with that content in the article)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:32, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I did some digging and found out that he appeared in the Unsigned Hype column of The Source in 1998, and he released the single (not the album) "Exotic's Raw" that year However, aside from the Muzik article, that's the only reliable source of independent notability that can be found on him — his 1999 Billboard chart appearance was as a featured guest on a Large Professor single, and his name doesn't even appear in the credits of Main Source's 1992 Billboard chart appearance. Blackjays1 (talk) 07:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Um... @ His name is on the chart repeatedly for 10 weeks. I looked directly at the Billboard charts in PROQUEST, so I don't possibly see how you can claim he was not credited on the chart. Both Billboard citations above have his name on the chart for anyone to see (I could provide more examples, but I thought two were sufficient). Your claim that he doesn't appear on the chart is just flat out not true. And he gets even billing on the chart with Large Professor with their names right next to each other. If it weren't a copyright violation I would upload PDFs of the documents to prove it. 4meter4 (talk) 15:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * For a viewable proof see the Hot Rap Singles Billboard Chart on page 34 and the Hot R&B Singles Chart on page 36 which include his name: .4meter4 (talk) 15:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Also viewable is his name in the charts on pages 30 and 33 of this Billboard .4meter4 (talk) 15:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Please re-read my comment. I didn't dispute that he appeared on the Billboard charts in 1999 (alongside Large Professor). I did dispute that he appeared on the charts in 1992 (as he made an uncredited guest appearance on Main Source's single "Fakin' the Funk", which he's most known for). Simply put, he hasn't done enough in his career (independent from a Large Professor single and a Main Source single) to attain notability. Blackjays1 (talk) 18:08, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * My mistake. Appologies for the misunderstanding.4meter4 (talk) 18:28, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries! Blackjays1 (talk) 00:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:53, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - Evidence of notability is borderline. Gentleman wiki (talk) 19:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete. Based on the current article, and all attempts to find evidence of notability, I don't see how they meet any of the criteria under WP:SINGER, or GNG in general. I recommend against draftifying. The person who requested more time has made no substantial changes in weeks, choosing to work on other articles instead. Indeed, most changes were made September 6 and 7. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 17:14, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep I found that this person had a Billboard charting song. And I see enough other sources out there to WP:V this person's notability. Lightburst (talk) 17:15, 2 October 2021 (UTC)


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