Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neil Merryweather

Neil Merryweather

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Follow-up from this AfD. Fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG, and lack of sources for existing content in article Mdann52 (talk) 13:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 18:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Canada. Shellwood (talk) 14:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Has an entry in a major music encyclopedia, which is copiously referenced in the article already. If it's covered by other encyclopedias, it should be covered in this one. Chubbles (talk) 17:26, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete This entire article about a BLP is original research with virtually no citations. The single reliable source I see is The Encyclopedia of Popular Music but this is a tertiary source, not a secondary one. Lacking ANY direct detailing in applied or provided reliable secondary sources, this is not a keep. BusterD (talk) 11:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Tertiary sources are built from secondary sources and by definition indicate the presence of multiples of them. Since when can we not use encyclopedias to source this encyclopedia? (I've written literally thousands of articles sourced from other encyclopedias). Chubbles (talk) 04:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * See WP:PSTS. They're not forbidden but article should be primarily sourced to secondary sources while using primary and tertiary sources sparingly. It's not about the number of sources, but how much of the article's key contents are based on things other than secondary sources. Graywalls (talk) 04:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That policy (WP:TERTIARY) is largely geared toward guiding people to cite original research over things like first-year summary textbooks. It doesn't address notability, because tertiary sources do establish notability if they are reliable, and the cited source certainly passes WP:RSTERTIARY. Chubbles (talk) 05:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Cleverly ignoring my first point that this was an OR BLP with no reliable secondary sources, yes, I'll concede we occasionally use tertiary sources. We don't generally base articles solely on such coverage, however. So you have presented a single encyclopedia as RS. Nothing else? Delete. BusterD (talk) 06:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That's because people don't write encyclopedia entries, in major (reliable) encyclopedias, without a base of secondary source material from which to draw. In any case, this will seal the deal: he meets WP:MUSIC by having a charting record - he reached #199 on the Billboard 200 in 1969 (as Merryweather & Friends, playing in a band with Steve Miller, Dave Mason, and Charlie Musselwhite) with the album Word of Mouth. My source is The Billboard Albums, 6th edition, p. 697. Chubbles (talk) 06:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment https://books.google.com/books?id=QgkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA72 He does get slightly more than a mention in 1974 Billboard. This isn't really a basis for notability but I'm aware not everything is Google locatable, so I can't recommend either actions, but I urge those familiar with where to look suggest whether sources exist or not. Graywalls (talk) 15:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.