Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neil Rhind


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 06:43, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Neil Rhind

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Active and prolific in neighborhood/ward affairs but his impact appears entirely local and without external reach. I don't find coverage meeting WP:GNG, the general notability guidelines for inclusion, or anything that meets WP:BIO. The notes at the end are overwhelmingly works by him, with little about him, and I no independent substantial coverage of him via Google. Nomination withdrawn, persuaded by the recognitions bestowed.Largoplazo (talk) 03:00, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
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 * The page could certainly benefit from some more external references but Blackheath is quite a significant part of London and his MBE is recognition that his work on the history and culture of the area is notable. I think this does pass notability on the grounds that he has done significant published work on Blackheath which is very well known outside its London boundaries cf Hampstead, Greenwich, Chelsea and therefore adds to the sum of human knowledge in a useful way. YellowFratello (talk) 09:39, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. I have highlighted the MBE and other honours, and like YellowFratello, think Rhind does pass notability (I live in the Blackheath area, but have no involvement with Rhind or any of the organisations mentioned in the article). He has contributed expertise to subjects (eg: artists) outside SE London. I have shortened the article, removed the walks links, and tried to sort his written work into a more intelligible format and a logical order. Paul W (talk) 10:49, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. The MBE, FSA (which would pass WP:PROF were he an academic) and honorary fellowship at Goldsmiths are all solid indicators of notability per WP:ANYBIO. The article is in dire need of references to independent sources, but I'd be very surprised if those weren't available. If not, the uncited material can be removed and we'd still have a useful stub. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 11:47, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Question re MBE Can being a member (the lowest-ranked of five OBE recognitions) really be considered a significant award for purposes of assessing notability when over 100,000 of them are living today? Over 1,400 of them can be newly designated every year. It isn't exactly as distinguishing an award as receiving as is, for example, the Academy Award for Best Picture. (Having looked it up, I'm not taking issue with the significance of the FSA achievement.) Largoplazo (talk) 12:19, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, unlike the Oscars, MBEs are awarded for excellence in any field, so being one of the 100,000 so honoured out of a pool of 65 million is still pretty selective. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 14:25, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep The subject meets PROF (the FSA election) as well as ANYBIO since he received "a well-known and significant award or honor". I know some will argue that the award has been handed out so often it might not be significant but considering the entire population of the British Commonwealth, an MBE is not all that common; it's certainly well-known. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 13:09, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Not a one-off wonder . Consistent work and expertise. For the record I think turning down an MBE should be instant notability! YellowFratello (talk) 15:09, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as nom.Notable WP:Author. CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   19:50, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. Note that we have always held over many AfDs that an MBE or OBE is not sufficient to satisfy WP:ANYBIO #1. Although a CBE or above is. He may be notable (I'm neutral on that), but he is not inherently notable for having an MBE. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:19, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree about MBEs, actually most honours, but this LP has the publishing girth that makes him notable. YellowFratello (talk) 16:25, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:SNOW, WP:OUTCOMES. Having been awarded MBE doesn't create per se notability, but can be evidence of notability, combined with other reliable sources. Bearian (talk) 02:18, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


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