Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neither theist nor atheist but religious


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The result was   delete. The Bushranger One ping only 05:33, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Neither theist nor atheist but religious

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Also nominating: Be good only for saving yourself and the world

"Drishtantoism" seems to be some blog-and-forum inspired "religion"... if this can be verified then the author can write about it, but these "principle-pages" are simply not suitable here. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 10:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete both We don't even have an article on the parent movemnet Drishtantoism, and for good reason - there are no reliable sources (news, books, scholarly) out there which discuss it. As a religious movement, it's too new to be notable. Certainly Wikipedia is not the place to be propogating it, per WP:SOAP. Yunshui 雲水 10:38, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: Someone tried Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 10:43, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete both, I agree. We shouldn't have this Soapboxing. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:37, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Main source of Drishtantoism
The book, In Drishtantoist Sight, Journey for Enjoying Poetic Beauty(দৃষ্টান্তবাদী দৃষ্টিতে কবিতার সৌন্দর্যোপভোগযাত্রা) by Shobuj Taposh is the main source of Drishtantoism.RatanMukha (talk) 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Thirst of knowing
On drishtantoism, I want to know more by wikipedia. On the philosophy the articles I have found those are in Bangla. For this, thirst of knowing is not being satisfied.SwThom123 (talk) 12:37, 25 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.5.36.43 (talk)
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Delete both. Topics should only be here if there has been significant coverage in independent sources, and I don't see any in English. Karanacs (talk) 14:52, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Delete both as unsourced original essays. If there's a sourceable article to be written, title should be Drishtantoism. No opinion on the encyclopedia-worthiness of that. Carrite (talk) 16:39, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

The Reliable source of Drishtantoism
The book, In Drishtantoist Sight, Journey for Enjoying Poetic Beauty(দৃষ্টান্তবাদী দৃষ্টিতে কবিতার সৌন্দর্যোপভোগযাত্রা) by Shobuj Taposh is the main source of Drishtantoism.RatanMukha (talk) 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a primary source, and thus not a reliable source. Yunshui 雲水 07:51, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Evaluation of Drishtantoism
We have found a brief evaluation of Drishtantoism in PRAJNA (A Philosophical Journal) of philosophy department of University of Chittagong.RatanMukha (talk) 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Which issue, please? Yunshui 雲水 12:12, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

In PRAJNA, there are: ‘সম্প্রতি নতুন দর্শনের সন্ধানে কোনো কোনো দর্শনচর্চাকারী উঠেপড়ে লেগেছেন। দৃষ্টান্তবাদ নামের একটি দর্শন মাথাছাড়া দিয়ে উঠেছে। একাজে বিশেষ করে বাংলাদেশের তরুণরা নিমগ্ন রয়েছেন। এটাকে তারা বাঙালির দার্শনিক সমস্যার সমাধান হিসেবে দেখছেন। তবে তাদের এই প্রয়াস, বাঙালি সাধারণ মানুষের বিশ্বাসের ভিতকে নাড়াবে, নিঃসন্দেহে বলতে পারি। চার্বাকদের কিছুটা মানসিকতা দৃষ্টান্তবাদীদের মধ্যে রয়েছে। চার্বাকরা অবশ্য বেদের মতোন ধর্মগ্রন্থকে আক্রমণ করেছিল, কিন্তু দৃষ্টান্তবাদীরা তা না করে যেকোনো ধর্মগ্রন্থের পাশকেটে ব্যবধানে থাকাকে বর্তমান সময়ের জন্য গুরুত্বপূর্ণ পদপে মনে করছেন।’"Editorial". Prajna (A philosophical Journal). 2010. University of Chittagong, Vol.13, P.10.RatanMukha (talk) 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Volume 13 isn't up on their website yet, which explains why I couldn't find the reference. As an editorial (rather than an article), this isn't a reliable source, per WP:NEWSORG ("Editorial commentary, analysis and opinion pieces are reliable for attributed statements as to the opinion of the author, but are rarely reliable for statements of fact."). I can't make much out of the Google translation (too many technical terms for the software), but I doubt this would even be acceptable as a source for a Drishtantoism article, let alone either of these. Yunshui 雲水 12:59, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

In PRAJNA, there are: ‘সম্প্রতি নতুন দর্শনের সন্ধানে কোনো কোনো দর্শনচর্চাকারী উঠেপড়ে লেগেছেন। দৃষ্টান্তবাদ নামের একটি দর্শন মাথাছাড়া দিয়ে উঠেছে। একাজে বিশেষ করে বাংলাদেশের তরুণরা নিমগ্ন রয়েছেন। এটাকে তারা বাঙালির দার্শনিক সমস্যার সমাধান হিসেবে দেখছেন। তবে তাদের এই প্রয়াস, বাঙালি সাধারণ মানুষের বিশ্বাসের ভিতকে নাড়াবে, নিঃসন্দেহে বলতে পারি। চার্বাকদের কিছুটা মানসিকতা দৃষ্টান্তবাদীদের মধ্যে রয়েছে। চার্বাকরা অবশ্য বেদের মতোন ধর্মগ্রন্থকে আক্রমণ করেছিল, কিন্তু দৃষ্টান্তবাদীরা তা না করে যেকোনো ধর্মগ্রন্থের পাশকেটে ব্যবধানে থাকাকে বর্তমান সময়ের জন্য গুরুত্বপূর্ণ পদপে মনে করছেন।’(translated by me: Recently some philosophy-readers are trying to investigate new philosophy (in India). A philosophical thought, entitled ‘Drishtantoism’ has been lighted. In this work, the young writers of Bangladesh are very busy. They claim that the philosophy is the solution of all Bengali philosophical problems. But undoubtedly we can say that the attempt they are driving is able for quaking Indian mind. Drishtantoists hold some mentality of Charvaka. Surely Charvaka attacked religious book like Veda. But avoiding this type of books, Drishtantoists stay at much distance. They think, for the time, it is just Decision.)"Editorial". Prajna (A philosophical Journal). 2010. University of Chittagong, Vol.13, P.10.RatanMukha (talk) 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the translation, it's helpful for understanding the content. However, the problems still remain:
 * as an editorial piece, this does not pass Wikipedia's guidelines for reliable sources.
 * there is no in depth coverage of the Drishtantoist movement - this passage establishes the philosophy's existence, but little more.
 * there is no mention in the source of either of the two precepts of Drishtantoism which are up for deletion here - making it largely irrelevant to this discussion.
 * Yunshui 雲水 22:41, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

In Bengali Wikipedia, we find some commentary sentences about Drishtantoism (দৃষ্টান্তবাদ). Links: http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/উত্তর_আধুনিকতাবাদ, http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/পরাবাস্তবাদ SwThom123 (talk) 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * As open wikis, other versions of Wikipedia are not considered reliable sources for notability or verifiability. Yunshui 雲水 21:23, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete all as there is no coverage in reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 13:41, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
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