Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neo Ouija (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. All are agreed, I think, that there is a lack of significant coverage in reliable sources to meet the notability standard. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:11, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Neo Ouija
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Not sourced since December 2006, despite being tagged since then. Additionally, it has been tagged for notability since January 2011. Kept at AfD back in 2006, but nobody has lifted a finger to improve the article in all this time. Delete unless somebody is prepared to make an assertion of notability by introducing reliable sources that indicate notability. Safiel (talk) 03:45, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Not able to find any real independent source of information about this label, outside of track listings that indicate the label exists. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 04:31, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete The bands listed are mostly not notable enough to get articles. Those pages that do exist, don't mention any connection with this label. - SimonP (talk) 11:41, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 06:37, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 06:37, 22 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete: not helped at all by the fact that half the blue links in the artist list actually redirect to an article on a completely different subject, not one for the artist. Metamatics himself and Apparat and Benjamin Wynn (aka Deru) are probably the only artists on the label for whom it might be possible to source enough material for articles on the artists (it would still be tough to pass WP:NBAND)... but even so, we're talking about the record label here, and there isn't any assertion of notability or that sources exist for an article on the label. Richard3120 (talk) 15:45, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as my searches have found nothing particularly better and the current article is also not convincing. Certainly enough consensus here but I will also notify the only still active AfDers and  for convenience.  SwisterTwister   talk  22:15, 22 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Weak delete for lack of coverage in reliable sources, fails WP:CORP. WP:NMUSIC does not have a section for record labels.  Fails the general notability guidelines. Neo Ouija has an entry at Discogs which makes a claim for notability, namely, "Neo Ouija released critically acclaimed debut-albums by artists like Xela (For Frosty Mornings And Summer Nights), Sense (A View From A Vulnerable Place) and Deru (Pushing Air)."  Last Afd, I recommended keeping the article, beacuse there was a claim to notability, and it was clear that the editor(s) who created tha article were weak on sourcing as well as on Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Reliable sources should have turned up, but they haven't, nor have I been able to find any other than references in-passing. Unfortuneately Discogs is not deemed a reliable site, as it is or was crowd-sourced. Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 48; Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 171 Also, while Xela (musician) and Deru do have Wikipedia articles, Adam M. Raisbeck's band "Sense" does not.  Sense (band) at Wikipedia currently refers to a former synthpop one-album trio of which Paul K. Joyce was a member and redirects to Paul K. Joyce. Adam M. Raisbeck's band "Sense" (aka Soulenoid and Whatever Man) might rate an article, they put out 14 albums between 2001 and 2014, but I see no real need to research them, as Neo Ouija lacks substantial coverage in reliable sources. Deru's article is under his real name, Benjamin Wynn.  Whoever wrote the Wikipedia article missed his first album Pushing Air which came out in 2003.  Soundcloud (not a reliable source either) currently lists Neo Ouija as being out of Weimar, Germany.  The connection between the 2000-2005 record label and the current, 2007-, is unclear. The British mail-order house, Forced-Exposure, only lists Neo Ouija albums from before 2005.  From the little I could glean, Neo Ouija was an innovative albums producer and probably rates a footnote or two in a history of early twenty-first century music.  Could anyone suggest a redirect? --Bejnar (talk) 23:34, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * But even if those albums were "critically acclaimed" (and we have no sources to verify any of that), that doesn't mean the record label they were released on is notable, even if Discogs were to be considered an RS. This is the problem – even if the artists/records pass notability, I can't see that their record label does... seems a bit of a WP:INHERITED argument to me. Richard3120 (talk) 02:32, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Its is a claim to notability, i.e. that is why people should write about Neo Ouija, it doesn't mean that they have achieved Wikipedia notability. And yes there are positive reviews for those three aforementioned albums (and others produced by Neo Ouija), but that is not the point.  There is a claim to notability; however, it does not appear to have resulted in significant coverage in reliabe sources. --Bejnar (talk) 00:05, 24 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete, pending evidence of non-trivial coverage from reliable sources. The prior discussion from 2006 was a unanimous keep, myself included, based upon speculative claims of notability.  Our metric for reliable sources have markedly improved since then, and no such sources have come forward within the ten year span since deletion was last considered.  Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 17:39, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


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