Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Netherlands–Uruguay relations


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 10:47, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Netherlands–Uruguay relations

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Another one of Groubani's articles, this time concerning "relations" between the Netherlands and Uruguay. The only thing on this page is saying that they have an embassy in the other country, and previous debates (like Articles for deletion/Bilateral relations of Ireland) have shown that merely having relations with another country is not enough to confer relations per Wp:NN. There might be some relations between the two, but the only link that works is in Dutch, a language I have no knowledge of. The other link results in a 404 error. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) | (talk to me) | (What I've done) 09:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete The Dutch source gives the sizes of the populations of the relevant immigrants and emigrants, says that Uruguay does most exporting to Europe through Dutch ports (and mentions what the Dutch export to them), Dutch banking is the most active Dutch business sector in Uruguay, they also worked on cleaning the bottom of some Uruguayan river. There are no significant cultural relations or human aid being shared. In other words, no political relations to speak of (though the source mentions a couple of other links) - Mgm|(talk) 11:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Yet another article on the topic of X-Y relations for which absolutely no sources exist.Yilloslime T C  20:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete nothing to suggest this is notable.  ♪Tempo  di Valse ♪  18:06, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * U R Gay? What???? MuZemike 19:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sources exist.  The source in the article calls Netherlands the "gateway to Europe" for Uruguay, which is significant.  In my opinion, the exchange of Ambassadors is a significant enough act in and of itself to confer notability, as it is an official action undertaken at the highest level due to an important bilateral relationship.  If that's not enough for you, the two recently signed a treaty on customs laws .  Another treaty in 2005, the gist of which I find it hard to get, but suffice it to say that countries without any real bilateral relationship don't bother with bilateral treaties.  An agreement on investments in 1988 also "the traditional friendship existing" between the two countries (although that is in some sense just diplomatic language.  There are more sources out there, but I think this is more than sufficient to show the notability of the subject. Cool3 (talk) 23:42, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - the fact that ambassadors are exchanged is recorded at Diplomatic missions of the Netherlands and Diplomatic missions of Uruguay. Treaties are not inherently notable: we do not, for example, have articles on every extradition treaty or treaty of friendship out there. If you have third-party sources indicating these treaties as a body, or even one of them, are notable, that might be a start, but per WP:PSTS, we cannot on our own infer notability from the fact they were signed. And then the usual arguments: they're on opposite sides of the world, they have no historic ties and very few commercial ones, etc. Nothing to see here, really. - Biruitorul Talk 04:12, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


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