Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Netherton Cricket Club


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge and redirect. Those arguing to keep this article have not demonstrated that the subject meets GNG. Citing general principles, such as WP:PRESERVE, without demonstrating why they apply in this specific case, does not contribute to this discussion. As this topic does not meet WP:CRIN, that essay is quite irrelevant to this discussion also. I'm closing this as "merge and redirect" given that a reasonable target has been presented, some sourced content has been shown to exist, and no convincing argument has been made against a merger specifically. Vanamonde (Talk) 13:04, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Netherton Cricket Club

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PROD removed without reason. This cricket club does not play in an ECB Premier League so fails WP:CRIN inclusion guidelines and cannot be considered to be otherwise notable with no historical notability, failing WP:GNG. StickyWicket (talk) 15:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. StickyWicket (talk) 15:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. StickyWicket (talk) 15:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep WP:CRIN is an essay and so has "no official status". The club is over 100 years old and so is certainly historic.  Detailed sources seem easy to find such as Netherton Cricket Club 1866–1966 One Hundred Years of Cricket and so we have good material for further work per policy WP:ATD, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page."  Other applicable policies include WP:BURO, WP:NOTPAPER and WP:PRESERVE. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:55, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Netherton Cricket Club 1866–1966 One Hundred Years of Cricket is published by the Netherton Cricket Club according to - so as a self-published primary source, does not count greatly towards notability and meeting GNG - where is the significant coverage in independent reliable sources?Nigel Ish (talk) 18:09, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. Hundreds, if not thousands of cricket clubs in England are over 100 years old. But what makes them historically notable? And as Nigel Ish points out, that source is self-published so doesn't add to GNG. StickyWicket (talk) 20:53, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per, WP:CRIN is an essay, not policy. Dudley Chronicle article on 11 August 1927 says it is "one of the oldest clubs in the country". NemesisAT (talk) 21:13, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. Again, this may well be, but how does this imply wider notability? StickyWicket (talk) 21:28, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The article is an example of WP:SIGCOV, which goes towards establishing notability per WP:GNG. NemesisAT (talk) 21:34, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * On balance, delete - it's old, but hasn't done anything notable in that time. Being old by itself doesn't make it notable - and 1866 isn't old in cricket club terms. If it was 1766 I'd consider this more, but by the mid 19th-century clubs were cropping up all over the place. Given the issues with cricket notability guidelines, we're trying really, really hard to cut things down, not open them up. If this were a football club playing in a lower county league and was formed in, say, 1930 (the respective difference in age - although I may be slightly too generous in the comparison), we wouldn't think twice about deleting it. Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 23:53, 7 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: There hasn't been anything new since last time; and the keeps aren't particularly convincing (whether some SNG is an essay or not has no bearing here: the only thing that really, truly matters in circumstances like these is GNG, and that doesn't appear to be met here); but re-listing this one last time.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 12:31, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Local club without substantive independent coverage. Reywas92Talk 15:08, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think the references add up to passing GNG. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 17:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge with Netherton, West Midlands. That article only has a passing mention of the club, and some of the content in the article could be moved there. I'm on the fence about if this club is notable enough for a standalone article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:48, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge. It is already mentioned in Netherton, West Midlands, and a little more information could be added there. --Bduke (talk) 23:49, 15 August 2021 (UTC)


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