Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neuttro (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. This time, the salt shaker will be applied Courcelles 01:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Neuttro
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I closed a prior AFD as delete. Now recreated, see prior discussion at Articles for deletion/Neuttro. Does not appear substantively improved or different from prior page. Bringing here for community assessment. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 03:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - There has been a little bit of sourcing added since the original article, but it still seems to fail WP:NMUSIC. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 17:51, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment I attempted to counsel the article creator on how to establish notability prior to their restoring the article. I also suggested they should seek a review of the "new" article prior to restoring it to article space. Unfortunately it looks like they essentially just moved the article back to mainspace without substantial improvements or seeking a peer review. Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 17:57, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Ok, the guys are collecting material to give it to me. Be patience please Mroxidizer1 (talk) 00:55, 23 July 2011 (UTC)MrOxidizer1


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   05:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep Not ideal, but has some notability per WP:NMUSIC. The Brutal Noise Music Co. piece looks like a distributor or label for the band, so that source isn't independent.  The other two look alright as they do go in-depth about the band and provide independent coverage.  The creator has had 5 days to collect sources and no changes have been made to the page since the above message was left.  I will put this page on watch, in the case the article creator is able to provide any more in the meantime. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 05:52, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt. Sourcing aside, the grammar is atrocious.  Moving onto the sources, though, I fail to see how notability is asserted, much less how BAND is met.  Playing the Hard Rock Cafe isn't a huge deal; it's a franchise restaurant, not a place like CBGB's.  That whole "newspapers" thing is useless, because it has links to the articles for the paper, not the material on the band.  The Primerahora link is like three paragraphs, and the Alternorock is two.  So five paragraphs on two websites automatically confers notability?  what I did do is hunt down their performance history on ReverbNation, which is a platform for bands.  They have two shows listed in 8 months, which is even worse when said shows are in 2009 and 2010.  They haven't played in almost a year, and no one has listened to their material on their site.  In short, this is a very badly written vanity article about a nn band, and there is no reason to recreate this. MSJapan (talk) 06:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * delete if not speedy delete as recreation of deleted material since the last AfD there has been no change in the assertion of notability which was found sorely lacking last time. Time to salt and ban any users recreating this vanity cruft. HominidMachinae (talk) 07:34, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete sourced addition is tangential and still keeps it short of WP:BAND. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 22:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm not seeing the requisite independent sources. --Noleander (talk)


 * Comment "I added the National Rock Album: Puerto Rock Vol. 1 (by Brutal Noise, is a related label but not the official label like "Puya" back in the days), also, Primera Hora is the main Newspaper in Puerto Rico, i see as a reliable source" Mroxidizer1 (talk) 03:48, 30 July 2011 (UTC)MrOxidizer
 * Comment "Also the band perform (for the guy who is saying they are not playing) when they released the latest album, they made 3 live appearance on the 3 Hot Topics in Puerto Rico, and other 5 appearances after that, they are now making new songs, so this is not vanity, I have seen less active bands that they made the wikipedia.. I checkout WP:NMUSIC and seems that you dont need ALL requiermments.. there are articles (phisicly) not in the net, posters flyers that i can prove and i can show, even more, I know "youtube" is against the rules, but if you checkout the video mentions on the articles, those official videos are there and you can watch, and are promotional videos of their songs.... once again, I am not  a member of the band, in a humble way to say, I am a guy from their city and i know a lot how the rock movement that runs in Puerto Rico, take consideratiopn on that. I accept any help of you if neccesary. I am just a writer who worked for a Night Life Magazine in Puerto Rico called "Noctambulo" that doesn't exist anymore in Puerto Rico. Gracias, I appreciate your help! Mroxidizer1 (talk) 12:47, 1 August 2011 (UTC)MrOxidizer
 * Delete per lack of notable, none of which were found on both Google and Yahoo! aside from MySpace and music download websites. The sources provided are the article are reviews, not focusing on a biographical view, but on the music. SwisterTwister   talk  21:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as lacking evidence of notability at independent, reliable sources. It is close to a speedy deletion candidate, as it is substantially the same as the deleted version  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 22:14, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
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