Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Never (word)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Wikipedia is not a dictionary.  Sandstein  23:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Never (word)

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Delete. Wikipedia is neither a dictionary or translation guide. coccyx bloccyx (toccyx)  21:46, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete – agree with nominator that this should have NEVER happened. Though we do appreciate the effort, this is what Wikitionary is for. ShoesssS Talk 22:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - NEVER create articles that are nothing more than dictionary entries. We have a perfect place to put those, its an... um... dictionary. Trusilver  22:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:SNOW Delete: Wikipedia is not for definitions. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 22:42, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Transwiki. Apparently there are some phrases in there that Wiktionary could use. - Mgm|(talk) 22:54, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - This is an entry for Wikitionary, as wikipedia is not a dictionary (see What_Wikipedia_is_not); therefore, I would support a deletion of this article. kilbad (talk) 23:17, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 *  Transwiki and delete - This is not a dictionary, I propose a speedy transwiki copy to wikitictionary and delete the page. (already on wikitictionary)--Ipatrol (talk) 23:48, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Dicdef article, more appropriate for Wikitionary. 23skidoo (talk) 01:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete — pure dictionary definition. If "never" is not already in Wiktionary, then I would start wondering what in the world is going on over there. MuZemike  ( talk ) 04:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete because purple monkey dishwasher. JuJube (talk) 07:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per purple monkey dishwasher. JBsupreme (talk) 07:16, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Never was a disambiguation page, before see I wanted to add more information to the word Never, about funny sayings which express the notion never in different languages, like for example: When hell freezes over. The page would looked complicated otherwise.Never. I thought I create a separate article for the word and keep the rest as a disambiguation page About the article never, I thought people agreed on that it was ok to expand it, see my talk page. I did not wanted to make a dictionary of it, I just wanted to add funny sayings. . Warrington (talk) 12:39, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Warrington has been canvassing to keep the article. -- Explodicle  (T/C) 13:17, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * They're obviously a newby so let's extend some thoughtful guidance so they might stick around and contribute more constructively. -- Banj e  b oi   13:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Wikipedia includes plenty of articles about words although they are generally in much better shape than this. A more compelling approach would be to show etymology, first uses and any notable impact. Presently we're quite a ways from that. I'm not sure it's worth the effort but a good article certainly could be built. Also, it's good to want to add content but as this is an encyclopedia adding funny sayings is generally not helpful. You can put those on your own page, on other websites, or even on the talkpage of an appropriate article as other editors may have an idea if and how they might be included. If you are keen on building this article you may want to have it userfied but, again, not sure it's worth the effort. -- Banj e  b oi   13:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Showing etymology won't help. The place for etymology is never. Uncle G (talk) 17:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I am fairly new (more active since August 08). The reason was this article, I agreed with the author that is very hard to find information on this matter. I thougt Wikipedia is a perfect place for an article like this. And I do not want to put hose on my own page, I want that people should find it somewhere. I think the information is interesting and I wish that it could be saved in some way somewhere. Wiktionary? But Wiktionary is about words not phrases. This is not about etymology. Maybe the title I chosed is wrong... Warrington (talk) 13:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary contains both words and phrases, the latter as long as they are idioms. It's not the title that you chose that was wrong.  It was the project that you chose to contribute to.  Come over to Wiktionary, where we get to devote entire articles to individual phrases such as (as you can see) "when Hell freezes over" and "when pigs fly", including their idiomatic translations into other languages.  You are a lexicographer lost in the wrong project.  Don't wander alone around the encyclopaedia looking for a dictionary.  The dictionary is over there and we Wiktionary editors welcome people who want to translate idioms.  Uncle G (talk) 17:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * comment Very well put. ShoesssS Talk 18:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, thats great. Than it can go there where the pigs fly and the Hell freezes over.Warrington (talk) 19:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * And there is a Category:Phrases with the Category:Words and phrases by language. with African words and phrases Arabic words and phrases Aramaic words and phrases Words and phrases of Australian Aboriginal origin  Basque words and phrases  Bengali words and phrases Irish words and phrases  and so on... Why not phrases expressing never? Like Slán Abhaile, an Irish phrase used to bid goodbye to someone who is travelling home. Either way, please don’t throw away the content of it. Warrington (talk) 14:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Parts of this probably ought to merge with the disambiguation page for never.  The film Never Say Never is one.  Negation, negation (linguistics), grammatical polarity, and temporal logic all deal with the several meanings of never.  Probably ought to toss in The Raven as well. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * But The Raven is a poem by Poe. Warrington (talk) 16:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Famous for speaking the words “…Never more”. ShoesssS Talk 16:53, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * MMMmmm. Right.

Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,

By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore,

`Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.

Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore -

Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'

Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'

Warrington (talk) 17:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:OUTCOMES. Lots of potential here, folks.  Don't give up on a possibly important encyclopedic topic.  Think of Chaos. Bearian (talk) 00:52, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.