Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Never Let Me Down (Kanye West song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. After two full relistings and then some, no consensus for a particular outcome has transpired herein. North America1000 07:06, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Never Let Me Down (Kanye West song)

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Two editors just hit the 3RR rule with this one. One says fails, WP:NSONG/ WP:GNG and the other disagrees. Should it be deleted, kept as a article or a redirect. I have no opinion either way. Richhoncho (talk) 09:02, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 10:56, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 10:56, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 10:56, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge to The College Dropout - it does not pass WP:NSONG and I'm surprised the content isn't already in the album article. – The Grid  ( talk )  17:26, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to The College Dropout per above. Aoba47 (talk) 05:50, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Striking vote due to the expansion of the article. Aoba47 (talk) 19:38, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Don't merge to The College Dropout - I have further improved this article to the point where it clearly holds its own, since it's over 11000 bytes in size now. It did not chart but doesn't need to for a Wiki and the sources are all reliable - see WP:NSONG to understand why I'm correct. --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:20, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm striking out this vote because of the other one below by you. – The Grid  ( talk )  20:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Don't merge to The College Dropout per above. --ClocksGoBack (talk) 09:32, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This is the sole edit by this user. I smell a 'sock or meat puppet.TheLongTone (talk) 15:55, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I admit to using an alternative account with the above user and I am very sorry, promise never to do so again.--Kyle Peake (talk) 16:59, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per WP:HEY. I believe sufficient sourcing now exists to demonstrate that NSONG has been satisfied (note its the base paragraph satisfied, not any of the specific guiding "may" points). My thanks to Kyle Peake for his work Nosebagbear (talk) 23:39, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to The College Dropout. The references are to reviews of this album rather than the song, so no independent notability. And just because an article is long does NOT mean it should be kept regardless of notability.TheLongTone (talk) 15:52, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep If you look throughout, it is not just a long article with The College Dropout reviews as references. There are many sources cited for the song outside of album reviews and even if you do use that as a debate to merge it, the reviews go into more detail about the song then should be listed on the album, especially the information about Jay's appearance in a negative light. Kyle Peake (talk)
 * Redirect to the album as per WP:NSONG. Simply doesn't meet the notability requirements. Is notable as part of the album, but that's all, should be covered there.  Onel 5969  TT me 11:47, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 18:29, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Struck Sock Vote - for clarity I've struck the above sock vote (I came here to point it out and then realised it was identified and admitted) Nosebagbear (talk) 19:57, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NSONG, where it says: "Songs and singles are probably notable if they have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label. This includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries or reviews." The article certainly meets this criteria and I know it says 'probably', but the article has enough independent sources to certify it as having notability. --Kyle Peake (talk) 09:27, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Dude, you can't !vote more than once. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 21:43, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak Keep for me this is slightly trivial, but the depth of coverage and encyclopedic content is to a good standard and it isn't something that is offending anyone. As this is off his debut album and also features Jay-Z, means this is a fairly notable track.FelixFLB (talk) 16:18, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Billboard ranking it on a subjective list yet not charting it tells you everything you need to know. Every song by a popular artist isn’t notable. This wasn’t even a single.Trillfendi (talk) 04:10, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The SandDoctor  Talk 18:01, 10 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.