Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neville Bowker


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) B dash (talk) 06:08, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Neville Bowker

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Doesn't appear to meet any of the specific criteria in WP:NSOLDIER. Highest honor seems to have been the DFC, which is a third-order medal. Only substantial reliable source about him that I found is this book, which isn't enough for GNG. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:39, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 06:15, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 06:15, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
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 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Zimbabwe-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:16, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment. In general in the past we have kept articles about aces. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:29, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Being an ace is not one of the criteria under NSOLDIER, so we cannot assume notability simply on that basis. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 10:53, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I said in the past we have assumed notability for aces. There is precedent for doing so. Wikipedia is governed by precedent and consensus, and there is certainly precedent for assuming that aces are notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:05, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, we've always accepted fighter aces before. They invariably have coverage. (And nine Second World War kills is pretty impressive when you remember that it was in a biplane.)  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:00, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MarginalCost (talk) 16:50, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment the sole source in the article does not state how many aircraft victories he scored while flying the biplane Gladiator, but the book shows that it was only one victory, not nine. I am not !voting as I am not familiar with precedent or otherwise regarding articles about aces, but I just wanted to note the erroneous statement above. I will also note that (a) the references are insufficient to meet the GNG - one is a blog and the other a brief mention in a book; and (b) elsewhere in WP certain things (such as aircraft) are regarded as intrinsically notable regardless of the dearth of coverage of same. YSSYguy (talk) 23:41, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - by long-standing WP:CONSENSUS, "being a flying ace" is considered establishment of notability Q.E.D.. The fact he is a flying ace is documented in reliable sources, therefore notability is established. In addition as he was Rhodesian (modern-day Zimbabwe), WP:CSB may well be a consderation. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:53, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Systemic bias on wikipedia against white residents of British crown colonies, the famous 28th grievance of 1776 199.247.43.170 (talk) 11:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep passes WP:GNG Article is badly in need of an ambitious edit and development. Needs work - not afd WP:NOTCLEANUP  Lubbad85   (<b style="color:#060">☎</b>) 20:18, 16 April 2019 (UTC)


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