Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New American Gospel


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The result was to keep.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 25, 2014 ; 18:12 (UTC)

New American Gospel

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Contested PROD. Does not meet WP:NALBUMS. I tried to find additional sources but only found user reviews. No US charting either. http://www.billboard.com/artist/306414/lamb-god/chart perhaps other charts may exist. Again, I couldn't find anything. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:53, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I have added references, the album has sold over 100,000 copies in America alone, that should make it meet the guidelines and I have found and added more reviews which Walter couldn't find. Lukejordan02 (talk) 14:09, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You added a link to http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Lamb_of_God/New_American_Gospel/183, which isn't a reliable source, a web store, again not a reliable source, and a primary source from the band itself. That goes to support my statement that I couldn't find any additional reliable sources. The metal-archives.com lists additional reviews though. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:22, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * That don't change the fact that I have added more reviews. Lukejordan02 (talk) 15:01, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * But they're not referenced. Revolver was already sourced. What are "CMJ" and "NME"? Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:26, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * They are referenced they are included in the "primary source" and NME is a highly popular magazine in the UK. Lukejordan02 (talk) 18:39, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * ...And CMJ is an American magazine. Lukejordan02 (talk) 18:40, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * There is also a review from Allmusic. Lukejordan02 (talk) 18:41, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * This Link backups up the CMJ REVIEW but cannot be used on page because it is archived http://archive.today/VdkJG Lukejordan02 (talk) 22:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The following link may also not be good enough to use on the page but it most certainly backs up proof of all the reviews mentioned. http://www.fishpond.co.uk/Music/New-American-Gospel-Lamb-of-God/0039841434521 Lukejordan02 (talk) 22:40, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * And to prove the above link isn't a fluke, what is the odds a random eBay seller stumbles on that website? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lamb-Of-God-New-American-Gospel-CD-2000-Prosthetic-Metal-Blade-Records-NEW-/360529890669 Lukejordan02 (talk) 22:42, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:20, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:20, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. After Walter Görlitz prodded this last month I turned it into a redirect, because I agreed at the time that it was unlikely to be notable. Looking at it again in light of the sources dug up by Lukejordan02 I think the handful of reviews are are probably enough to satisfy WP:GNG, though of course better referencing would be ideal. Perhaps a request at WP:RX would be fruitful. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 18:41, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Major (read studio album) by a well-known band. If this were something like a limited edition or regional EP, then I'd agree on deleting, but as an album-level release, my opinion is that it should stay.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 19:51, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if the album is from a major or a minor artist, each album must have its own level of notability. Albums cannot piggyback on the notability of the creator. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:50, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * As someone more inclined to inclusionism than not, my opinion remains unchanged. While it is not a work I personally am familiar with (not really a LOG fan), I feel that its status as a studio album is notability on its own, being that it was released by a fairly big act. Again, if it were the 2001 Eastern Canada Club Tour EP, I'd agree with you, but I feel LP albums have more notability on the basis of being albums, and the act which recorded them.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 23:36, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * But this album is notable. Lukejordan02 (talk) 04:07, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep: Looks like there might just be enough out there to meet WP:GNG and WP:NALBUMS. I'm thinking that since it's by a band as big as Lamb of God, there probably exist more offline sources (in print magazines) that could be used as well. The Metal-Archives reference should be removed though, as it is definitely not a reliable source. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 02:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, looks like the sources identified by User:Lukejordan02 are probably just about enough to pop this over the WP:GNG. Lankiveil (speak to me) 13:00, 25 August 2014 (UTC).
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