Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Beginnings


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. ÷seresin 06:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

New Beginnings

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Completely unsourced article that has been on Wikipedia since April last year about a television show that was "due to premiere in Spring 2009". It didn't. Actually, it seems much more likely to be a hoax article, as none of the assertions in the article could be independently verified; on the contrary, any evidence from reliable sources would directly contradict the assertions in the article: for example, many of the putative cast are already in successful ventures that would preclude them from this show, not to mention that this putative cast has surreally included authors Maeve Binchy and Margaret Atwood (!) since the earliest versions. As the article has existed here for a year (and has been internally linked to from a few other articles), there are unreliable sources mirroring or using the content of the article, but I didn't find anything that would even be remotely considered a reliable source for this project ever having existed in any form at any time. FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 11:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  —  FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 11:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree, it's a hoax. The article has been mucked about quite a bit over its history, but even as left by the original author its cast list was wildly improbable, containing authors like Binchy, Atwood and Tracey Chevalier. I note also that the author edited only on this article, over one period of less than a week - typical of hoax authors. JohnCD (talk) 21:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice as not a hoax, but a show in post-prodcution. Allow it back when it mets the WP:GNG.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:50, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Of course if, or when, the show in production called New Beginnings meets notability criteria, an article can be created for it. The problem is... that isn't even remotely the same show that the article makes assertions about, which is allegedly an ABC show. The character descriptions and cast are completely different. From the earliest versions of the article that is there now, it looks (to me at any rate) that much of the current article was originally copied from the 8 Simple Rules article, including the infobox that for a while included cast and crew members of the earlier show (including James Garner) and then was expanded into fantasy by including cast members of other teen-orientated shows. The article, in any of the versions of its history, was and is a BLP problem, asserting as it does that the actors listed are going to take part in this show. No prejudice against a creation of an article for the show in production of course, but this isn't an article about that show.  FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 23:54, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I should have said above that the show in production by this title mentioned on IMDb is a production in the UK, while the show in the article has always been asserted as an ABC Family production. FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 00:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No argument here. I would expect after the show completes production and its release become imminent, the proper cast and production will be in a returned article. Certainly the current one is full of errors.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 08:33, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.