Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Crobuzon


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Consensus appears to be in favor of keeping the article and adding sources. (non-admin closure) Alpha Quadrant    talk    14:06, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

New Crobuzon

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Declined prod in good faith. But lacking significant coverage in reliable third party sources. Fails the general notability guideline and verifiability policy on reliable sources. There's one quote from the creator in here that barely mentions this fictional location, which is far from enough to meet WP:NOT. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:37, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Numerous third-party references exist on Google Books which discuss this fictional locale.  Southend sofa (talk) 17:22, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep – there are 71 hits in the 'news' sources, 1240 in the 'books' sources and 30-odd in the 'google scholar' sources; I have never seen an afd accompanied by so many potential sources. And a place does meet WP:NOT, as a place makes a very inactive plot. Certainly the article could do with some more sources and it might well need trimming. Occuli (talk) 20:14, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a correction. It doesn't meet WP:NOT. "Inactive plot" doesn't somehow make this better. The policy calls for "discussing the reception and significance of notable works". There needs to be some real world significance for this plot element to warrant encyclopedic coverage and meet Wikipedia policy. From what sources I can find, none of it explains the significance of this location. Shooterwalker (talk) 22:50, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:18, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:18, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep New Crobuzon is the main location in Miéville's Bas-Lag novels - and while in principle the necessary information in this article could be folded back into Bas-Lag, doing so would almost certainly unbalance that article. While this article is currently written too much in a glossary style to make the fact clear, New Crobuzon's politics, geography and social structures are essential background structure of Perdido Street Station in particular - and this has been recognised and extensively discussed in the secondary literature. I have added several citations from the couple of sources (out of the 1300-odd referred to by Occuli) that I have been able to access this evening - further work from those with more complete access than I have should be able to add far more. PWilkinson (talk) 21:33, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.