Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Generation Software, Inc.

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The result of the debate was Delete. Fernando Rizo T/C 19:16, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

New Generation Software, Inc.
Not notable. Google = 511, Alexa = 1,981,781. Delete - brenneman (t) (c)  15:46, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Advertisement. &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 17:39, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Advert. Flowerparty  talk 17:59, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I have rewritten this article.  The company is small but notable in its field, an IBM partner on their cinderella kit, iServer 400. --Tony Sidaway Talk  04:13, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I'll happily change my vote when I see any evidence of this notability. Can you provide links to mentions in news media, or a group perhaps? It also does not appear that this company is on IBM's website. -  brenneman (t) (c)  04:37, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. We are fortunate we don't have to rely on your research skills alone, aren't we?
 * Assorted brochureware for NCSI on an IBM site. Notice that the company's partnership level is specified:, |30&value_id=mvq50005339003304002&portal_id=,,,
 * IBM case study on NGSI from 2002 (recovered from Google cache)
 * |30&ce_id=ceq60441057103605002|30&portal_id= a customer experience on an IBM site describing the implementation of one of NGSI's products on iServer systems.
 * Quote from CEO Bernard Gough on IBM website
 * NCSI CEO quoted on a strategy change by IBM in Computer World.
 * If you couldn't find this wealth of information, this goes some way towards explaining your nomination. --Tony Sidaway Talk 05:06, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Both WP:DICK and WP:CIV are the research I recomend you undertake. - brenneman (t) (c)  05:11, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Come now, we can do without such incivility disguised as advice. --Tony Sidaway Talk 05:21, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes... moving on from that surreal encounter. I'll happily change my vote when I see any evidence of this notability.
 * The five pages listed as "brochureware" are among 18,251 similar entires.
 * The criteria for "Advanced Paternership" as indicated here involves nothing of notability, but acting as a quasi-salesman for IBM.
 * As to the "customer experiance"
 * It's submitted by the company to IBM,
 * It's a requirement to become an "Advanced Partner", and
 * The footnote on the page indicates "It is simply verification that your application is installed at a customer site running on strategic IBM technologies."
 * The mere presence of a quote submitted by the company to IBM means what again?
 * Ahhh... I see the quote. One line in an on-line magazine.  Hmmm.
 * If someone wants to argue "Non notability is not a criterion for deletion" they should argue that, not give us Google-scratchings. - brenneman (t) (c)  06:08, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Aaron, you've moved the goalposts. You ask for media mentions, I give them.  You ask for evidence that they're an IBM business partner, I give you that.  Then you misrepresent Computer World as "an online magazine", you misread the criteria for advanced membership, and you wave away the masses of direct recommendations of the company's product on IBM's own website as "Google-scratchings".  And then, faced with evidence that this is a company whose product is directly endorsed by the number one player in business intelligence and mid-range computing, IBM, you have the nerve to ask for evidence of 'notability! --Tony Sidaway Talk  06:40, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Ummm. No. Not at all. I asked for news media mentions.  I stated I did not find them on IBM's website.  You did, a tribute to your persistance.  The "bar" to advanced membership involves operating IBM "middleware" at one of your client's sites.  Which almost always involves the client buying something from IBM.  That's why they make people partner's - to sell IBM profucts and services while basking in the reflceted glory.  I fail to see masses of direct recomendations... in fact I fail to see even one.  What I do see is quite a lot of company-cruft, originated by the company in question on IBM's website.  And if you have evidence that the one-line quote in Computer World appeared in print you have failed to present it.  Why don't you (and I) get off this VfD and let the people think for themselves?  Is that really too much to ask? -  brenneman (t) (c)  07:00, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete', evidence of notability does not convince me that this coumpany does something encyclopedic--nixie 06:10, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak delete unless notability can be established. &mdash; J I P | Talk 06:23, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, verifiable != encyclopaedic. NN. Proto t c 09:55, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
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