Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Genesis


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. This one is between keep and redirect. Closing as keep but redirect is a viable option that can be discussed on the talkpage. Tone 18:33, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

New Genesis

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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing General notability guideline and the more detailed Notability (fiction) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:47, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  01:47, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: to allow discussion of the sources presented in the most recent !vote
 * Delete due to a lack of third party sources to pass the WP:GNG. Only WP:PASSINGMENTIONS which are not enough to establish WP:NOTABILITY. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:32, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - The article fails WP:GNG and does not meet the standards of WP:WAF. TTN (talk) 20:07, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to New Gods. Still a plausible search term and should be redirected. I think New Gods is the best opton. Rhino131 (talk) 02:24, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep or Redirect to New Gods important to the topic of comics.  Dark knight  2149  10:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - it's a major staple in DC Comics, has been depicted in fictional media.Valkyrie Red (talk) 05:56, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Neither of those issues is relevant to being included in Wikipedia, per NFICTION. 99.99% of things that have "been depicted in fictional media" should not be on Wikipedia. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:15, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: New Genesis is discussed at length in Hand of Fire: The Comics Art of Jack Kirby (University Press of Mississippi, 2011). You can see some of this material in the Amazon "Look Inside" preview. I'll give a couple sample sentences, both from page 196: "The saga turns out to be not so simple, for Kirby — and this is revealing – blurs the seeming idealized perfection of New Genesis, adding complexity to his gods... Characteristically, the heroes of New Genesis are mostly youths, representing hope, energy, and enthusiasm." This isn't plot summary — while it does describe characters and plot elements, it then builds on that to provide analysis and literary criticism. Similarly, in The Jack Kirby Collector #76 (2019), there is much discussion of New Genesis; one good example is on page 34: "Kirby knew that New Genesis was no heaven. Rather, it was more like the free West during the Cold War, which was threatened by forces from within as well as without." These are just a couple of examples. Kirby's work has been well studied and covered, especially the Fourth World material, and the conflict between New Genesis and Apokolips is at the heart of that work. Sources abound. — Toughpigs (talk) 03:52, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 14:32, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep or Redirect per the discussion on Apokolips. Whatever happens to one should also be done to the other. --~ ฅ(ↀωↀ&#61;) neko-channyan 17:02, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to New Gods per User:Rhino131. Not enough sources but a valid search term that could be expanded at the other location. Archrogue (talk) 19:14, 6 September 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.