Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Sincerity (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep per unanimity of responses. Non-admin closure by Skomorokh  23:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

New Sincerity
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Fails WP:OR and makes claims that are not backed by independent sources. Keep it all, there is not much academic or verifiable research yet due to this movement's infancy. let this be what Wikipedia, at its core, is all about, re-taking credibility from the oppressive institutions that dictate transmission and validity. There IS a transition occuring in our collective esteem that is and will continue its movement from that of postmodernity, and it is about sincerity, simplicity, compromise, and collaboration. Ecoleetage (talk) 09:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. But cut substantially, even almost to the point of a disambiguation page. After a little research, I am fairly confident that the music and Jesse Thorn parts of this page are sufficiently notable and real. The rest, maybe not. “New sincerity” (loosely, in the sense of post-irony) was widely used to describe a group of critically-acclaimed, commercially-unsuccessful bands in Austin in the 1980s, and I’ve been working on articles about some of those bands, which led me to this article. As for the “philosophy” parts of this article: The Jesse Thorn/Sound of Young America part is verifiable and citeable; I had not heard of this (or him) before I found the page and it’s not clear to me whether his “new sincerity” is a put-on or “sincere” (or maybe it’s both), but it certainly exists and is widely commented on. (But on this page, it could and probably should be a very brief explanation with a link to Jesse Thorn.) The rest of the material in this article seems very difficult to document and should probably be cut as WP:OR except if and where directly verifiable. By the way, if it is not already obvious, this is my first participation in a Wikipedia debate; I apologize for any inappropriate prolixity.--Arxiloxos (talk) 21:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  00:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - book and scholar searching seems to show it's a valid topic though the current article is poor and filled with original research - Peripitus (Talk) 22:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Current article needs a great deal of work to cut down OR, but AfD is not a forum for cleanup. Sources have established the notability of the topic and, as other editors have pointed out, other works exist that could be used to expand the article. Gimme danger (talk) 09:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.