Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Vietnam


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The result was no consensus. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:04, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

New Vietnam

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Not notable business that never got off the ground. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:59, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Merge into Carl McIntire. Little information to get out of stub status, but good material. BTW I have the book (well not the book, but a compilation containing that book). ミラP 04:39, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:52, 11 January 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:34, 19 January 2020 (UTC) Add additional sourcing and merge with Carl McIntire. This project was the topic of an episode for a podcast I work on called Underunderstood which contains additional information and new sourcing. I believe it should not be deleted. It should be fleshed out and incorporated into the Carl McIntire entry. I don't want to edit this myself since I was involved, but I'm leaving this here as a starting point.
 * Delete Proposed idea with nothing notable in reality. Does not meet WP:GNG. PenulisHantu (talk) 16:57, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Citadrianne (talk) 15:37, 21 January 2020 (UTC) 

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.   <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> </ol>

<ol> <li> The book notes: "In 1975, Reverend Carl McIntire, a New Jersey fundamentalist preacher and pro-Vietnam War activist, began construction on what was to be 'New Vietnam.' Spread out over 300 acres of land in Cape Canaveral, Florida, McIntire and his partner, former Green Beret Giles Pace, envisioned a theme park where people could get a glimpse of the Vietnam War. What would the theme park look like? Here are a few of the attractions McIntire planned: *Sampan ride. [two sentences] *Special Forces camp. [two sentences] *The perimeter. [three sentences] *A Vietnamese village. [three sentences] *Vietnamese people. [four sentences] ... The idea bombed and the park was never completed. Vietnamese refugees, having just experienced the horrors of a real war, weren't about to participate in a fake one. 'My wife won't walk around that village in a costume like Mickey Mouse,' refugee Cong Nguyen Binh told reporters. 'We want to forget. We want to live here like you. We don't want any more war.'"</li> <li> The article notes: "What is going up at Canaveral these days is nothing less than a Vietnamese village 'like our boys went into during the war,' says McIntire - and even the war will be simulated. The inspiration is McIntire's, as is the site: 300 acres with five abandoned buildings that his Reformation Freedom Center bought for $14.5 million a year ago and had found little use for until Vietnamese refugees began streaming into Florida. McIntire promptly sponsored 56 of them, mostly middle-class businessmen, artisans and former air force officers and their families, and housed them in his Palms East apartment complex. They have opened a Viet Arts factory that turns out ceramic elephants, frogs and Christmas trees, and they are launching a carpet-weaving operation with wool donated by the minister's flock. But the grand design is the Viet habitat, and last week bulldozers began to break ground. Moat: The blueprints for 'New Vietnam,' as McIntire has dubbed it, call for paddies with irrigation dikes, water buffalo (the ones with humps on their backs), cows, chickens and ducks, all of them encircled by a moat, tapped from the nearby Banana River - which also will be used to ferry tourists on sampan rides. The village will contain sixteen thatched huts - facades only - and four concrete buildings representing upper-class Vietnamese homes; they will double as retail shops for Viet Arts knickknacks and snack bars serving rice, noodles and typical Vietnamese fare. About 40 banana and palm trees are being brought in 'to give the place atmosphere,' says Pace along with an equal number of Vietnamese. They will dress and act in picturesque fashion but will not actually live in the village. 'It's a Fantasyland type of thing,' Pace explains. ... The Vietnamese themselves aren't so sure. Cong Nguyen Binh, once a wealthy Saigon businessman and now supervisor of the Viet Arts factory, says flatly that he wants no part of New Vietnam. 'My wife won't walk around that village in a costume like Mickey Mouse,' he declares. Dignity is only part of his objection. 'We want to forget, we want to live here like you,' Binh says. 'We don't want any more war.'"</li> <li> The article notes: "Local reaction to the Rev. Carl McIntire's plans to build a Vietnamese village and special forces camp as a tourist attraction here has been almost totally unfavorable, according to public officials. 'The calls I've received range from the obscene to the violent — all against,' Cape Canaveral City Councilman, Harry Rhame said. 'I've had about a dozen calls, and no one is remotely in favor.' ... Adjacent to the village will be a rectangular special forces camp encircled by a moat and guarded by machine gun nests, punji stakes and fatigue-clad 'soldiers' hired from the county. Inside will be a war museum of Viet Cong and American memorabilia." The news article clipping is from https://digg.com/2019/underunderstood-new-vietnamarchive.is. No date is provided.</li> <li> The article notes: "Fundamentalist preacher Carl McIntire once aspired to become the Walt Disney of the religious world. Cape Canaveral was to be his Disneyland. In the 1970s, McIntire negotiated the purchase of five Cape Canaveral properties — the Cape Kennedy Hilton, L. Mendel Rivers Convention Center, Palms East Apartments, and Chrysler and Boeing Buildings. ... Fifty-six South Vietnamese citizens — most of them skilled workers and middle-class Asians — were to act the part of villagers. They were brought to Cape Canaveral in June 1975 under McIntire's sponsorship. But all of McIntire's plans fizzled in late 1975 when he ran short of money and was unable to meet the purchase price of the Cape Canaveral property. All but the hotel and convention center reverted to the original owners."</li> <li> The article notes: "The latest plans by fundamentalist preacher Carl McIntire to build and operate a Vietnamese village and a Special Forces camp as tourist attractions in Cape Canaveral probably have a better chance of materializing than other, more expensive projects he's announced in the past, locals agree. In the first place, sandbags and barbed wire – which McIntire aide Giles Pace says are necessary for the camp – are a lot easier to obtain the more expensive building materials that are supposed to go into the long-planned Solomon's Temple. ... The village and camp – dubbed 'New Vietnam' by McIntire when he was in town this week – wouldn't have any problems with zoning, as did the refugee ceramics factory down the road. The village would be built on land already zoned for tourist attractions."</li> <li> The article notes: "The Rev. Carl McIntire, the fundamentalist New Jersey preacher, is a man of strange imagination, but he may have outdone even himself with his latest inspiration: the creation of what he calls 'New Vietnam.' A year ago Mr McIntire's Reformation Freedom Center bought 300 acres of land with five abandoned buildings at Cape Canaveral, Fla., for $14.5 million. There was little use for the site until Vietnamese refugees began streaming into Florida and Mr. McIntire sponsored 56 of them, opening a Viet Arts factory where the refugees may work at turning out ceramic trinkets and other products common to their native land. It sounds fine—until we come to the grand design. Mr. McIntire recently took two Newsweek reporters on what the magazine called a tour of the future. ... ... Somehow we imagine the Vietnamese, who have endured 30 years of war with particularly devastating carnage over the last 10 years, will have different ideas about how love should be shown."</li> </ol>

There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow New Vietnam to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 09:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)</li></ul> <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Would appreciate if reviewers would take into consider 's "keep" and information. Thanks everyone for participating and assuming good faith!

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 18:27, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


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