Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Wave of American Metal (second nomination)


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The result was delete. Neil ( ► ) 08:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

New Wave of American Metal (second nomination)

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One source from a documentary does not make a genre notable. This article fails WP:NEO and WP:N and should be deleted, unless someone can come up with any other sources other than this one documentary. dposse 15:20, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge with the metalcore article. With just one source this article is better than a lot of other articles about genres such as: moshcore, mallcore, ska punk, UK 82, youth crew, and d-beat, all of which cite no sources whatsoever. Personally I think people are targeting this article because they hate the term and/or hate this subgenre. The article clearly describes a group of new bands that are playing a style of metalcore that is different than the original metalcore of the 1980's. I believe the information is at least notable enough to be merged into the metalcore article. --Leon Sword 21:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Incorrect. I do not hate the term or the genre. I've nominated this article for deletion due to it being a non-notable neologism which violates wikipedia guidelines. dposse 21:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not saying you hate the genre but a lot of other editors have fought hard against this article which is decently written, while other articles which contain obvious original research have been left alone for a long time. It just all looks very suspicious. --Leon Sword 21:49, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If you browse through the archives at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Metal, you can see that there are several editors working in good faith and trying to separate the notable and verifiable genres/terms from the unverifiable neologisms. Sure, other stuff still exists, but it is not a good reason to keep this one. Mallcore was already deleted once, and should probably be deleted again. Prolog 09:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Merge Though I was the editor to originally nominate this, after reading Leons response I agree that some of the info is notable enough to be merged into the metalcore article. Inhumer 00:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Delete With, like Zouavman said, a small paragraph in the Metalcore article mentioning the "movement/scene". Inhumer 19:17, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * That still doesn't satisfy WP:NEO. The article is a neologism, and per WP:NEO, we cannot have it on wikipedia. dposse 02:14, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * And I agree 100% that its a neologism. Inhumer 17:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Then i do not understand how you can say that merging is the solution, when the entire thing violates WP:NEO dposse 19:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * According to WP:NEO, "Neologisms are words and terms that have recently been coined, generally do not appear in any dictionary, but may be used widely or within certain communities." Perhaps the term New Wave of American Metal is a neologism, but the group of bands that the article is about is not a neologism. The information should be merged into the metalcore article. --Leon Sword 00:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Delete Neologism. A small pagagraph in the metalcore article should be more than enough. Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me!) 19:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Keep Notable term. There is even a book about it. Elsebroke 16:40, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. This book seems to be about all American metal bands from mid-90's to this day. Besides the title, it does not seem to be related to content in this article. Prolog 09:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete as an unverified neologism, and add a brief mention to metalcore. There is really nothing to merge, as the article is original research. Prolog 09:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - As a heavy metal fan, the term isn't even correct, it's called NWOAHM (New Wave of American Heavy Metal) as a nod to a previous era of metal, termed NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal). The term is used to describe metal that combined american hardcore with european slickness, i.e. dual guitars, intricate solos, etc.  So, basically, that decribes "Metalcore".  There are problems with the article's assertion that Metalcore and Melodic Death are the same.  They are not.  Melodic Death was first and was the main influence for NWOAHM, which then settled into Metalcore.  If well written, this could stand on it's own, but I do think it could summed up just as well in the other two articles. Neonblak 18:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment In all actuality, Most, if not all of those bands have little to no actual hardcore influence. Inhumer 19:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment So the punk beats come from metal? Elsebroke 08:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment There rarely is a punk beat. Inhumer 18:12, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.