Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New York City Group, Civil Air Patrol


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The only editor arguing to keep is the article's creator, who states on their user page they are a civil air patrol member, and thus have a WP:COI. This doesn't disqualify them from commenting here, but it does seem that they're too close to the subject to give a truly dispassionate evaluation. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:49, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

New York City Group, Civil Air Patrol
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This article has only one reference from a site not controlled by the subject. It appears to be promotional. The text is not encyclopedic. It does not describe why this unit is notable in a general sense. Parade participation and one article about an event in 2001 are likely not enough. Its emphasis is on the personnel involved, not on the group. With some work, I trust the article could be improved to be a great Wikipedia article. Rhadow (talk) 12:06, 29 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The nomination was placed at the article's talk page; I have copied it here verbatim, and will complete the other steps to list the debate. No comment on the merits, except that the article should probably be renamed if kept. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 13:44, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

I am in the process of finding more citations and references as we go. This group is truly historic as it is the administrative echelon of the largest city in the state and by far the most diverse city in the US. It also serves as the echelon that serves one of the first areas that Civil Air Patrol began it's services in 1941, at the high of the war. Coastal Patrols for a time were headquartered in the area that this unit commands. I urge fellow wiki writers to keep this article up and, if possible, use your experience and resources to help keep the page running. Thank YouCfuentes1421 (talk) 03:01, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to keeping the article in principle, but it does need a major overhaul to make it no longer sound like a promotional material. For example, the "Current commander" section is nothing but a resume and absolutely needs to go. Et0048 (talk) 18:39, 30 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Reminder WP:NCORP "As a general rule, the individual chapters of national and international organizations are usually not considered notable enough to warrant a separate article – unless they are substantially discussed by reliable independent sources that extend beyond the chapter's local area." Rhadow (talk) 19:37, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment The sole notable referenced incident (photography of 9/11) was accomplished by members of the Long Island Group, temporarily seconded by the New York unit. Rhadow (talk) 11:37, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Malinaccier ( talk ) 13:20, 6 September 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:21, 13 September 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Optakeover (U)(T)(C) 17:23, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, promotional; can be recreated by a neutral editor.  Sandstein   10:27, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable chapter of national organization. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:29, 29 September 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.