Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New York International Independent Film and Video Festival


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) &mdash; neuro(talk) 20:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

New York International Independent Film and Video Festival

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Apparently non-notable film festival. A Google news archive search turned up nothing of substance, just trivial references, "the festival is occuring"-type announcements, and press releases. There have been complaints against the festival, but I would argue that not even the complaining makes it notable. Precious Roy (talk) 18:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.   —Precious Roy (talk) 18:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - The two references in the article are very in-depth and substantial, if negative (WP:N makes no requirement that coverage must be positive, but independent of the subject). That there are many press releases about this festival on a g-news search is strictly a red herring as that doesn't negate the in-depth coverage that does exist. --Oakshade (talk) 18:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep This is obviously a notable festival. Tarheel95 Tar-Talk —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:23, 7 December 2008 (UTC).
 * Speedy Keep. The NYIIFF has been around for 15 years and has received LOTS of extensive and in-depth coverage in reliable sources that easily exceed WP:N / WP:GNG requirements. Los Angeles Times, New York Cool, LA's the Place, LA Splash, Show Business Weekly, Princess.com, Fest 21, New York Press, etc.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 19:53, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Other than the LA Times, I don't see substantial coverage from notable (and reliable) sources. The NY Press may be notable publication but it's one of the, as I called them in my nomination, "'the festival is occuring'-type announcements" and utterly trivial. The Show Business Weekly "article" seems borderline. Precious Roy (talk) 21:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Though available, as you yourself have granted above, substantial coverage from notable sources is not a mandate. The primary criteria from WP:CORP indicate that "If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability". That has been done by the offereing of BOTH substantial and less-than-substantial sources... as well as Imagine News, MovieGoat, The Reeler, andIndie Wire, found in a 3 minute search. With respects, it would be rare to find a writeup on a film festival in the Washington Post just as you would never find an article on Obama at The Reeler. If you have problems with these multiple sources, that discussion belongs over at the RSN, but the fact that it has the coverage it does in multiple sources independent of the subject more than qualifies this festival under WP:GNG and WP:CORP.  Schmidt, ' MICHAEL Q. 22:46, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Although its reputation in the film world is controversial, it is a notable event. Ecoleetage (talk) 21:06, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - this has to be notable. - Richard Cavell (talk) 22:21, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


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