Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New York State Route 382


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. per SNOW. It's a good article, already at FAC. Consensus is it's sufficiently sourced and notable. If the nominator doesn't like it, s/he is welcome to edit it to improve it. StarM 13:10, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

New York State Route 382

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Ignore the fact that this page is well-written and prepared because you need to read WP:PRETTY before going on to the rest of my reasons as that is not a valid reason to keep something around.

This DEFUNCT ROUTE FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS linked up NY 17 with a town of a MERE 38 residents! More people knew my late grandfather than most likely knew about NY 382. And if I wrote a page pertaining to my grandfather it would be shot down, even though his funeral was attended by 1,528 people. I would say this route clearly fails WP:Notability too. It's former sister-route,Allegany State Park Route 2, which still exists and is longer has reduced to a simple sentence or two within Allegany State Park. Now you're going to look at the page and see 18 sources and say, sure, this page is notable. Well, I urge you too look at them closely and see that they don't directly pertain to the article in question. Most are tour guide maps of the area. My street can be found on a map, but is it notable? NO! Other sources are postcards and photos of the town that held the route. I can get a postcard of my town with my street in the picture. Does that make my street notable? NO AGAIN!

And every single thing in this world can be technically deemed as notable to someone, but where do we draw the line. I think the notability line has been compromised way too much and needs to be fixed. This article somehow has made it to "Good Article" status and is being discussed for Feature Status. I'm for this page getting the heave-ho, but at the very least it should be reduced to a sentence or two like its living Allegany friend.

Please read this on minor state routes. This page may barely qualify to be on a list of minor routes in New York. You may read the page and see alot of history. But almost all of it is about the town of Red Point, about the state park and about postcards! Wikipedia is not a place to write a paragraph describing a postcard as seen in the article! There is a lot of writing on this page and I'd say maybe five words actually pertain to the route itself. GroundhogTheater (talk) 09:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep- What in the world? You are campaigning that one of my favorite articles be deleted, especially when its on WP:FAC? You are being ridiculous. Why can't you accept its existance? Its notable, and it meets it well enough. Also there are flaws - Red Point doesn't exist, its Red House, and there is no history of the state park in this article. The postcard makes one or two sentences. Also, most of what you have said is a lie, because it makes no sense, like the Allegany sentences. They are a state highway, and I can easily go ahead and write articles on ASP 1, ASP 2, ASP 2A, and ASP 3. They have been defined as notable and you are just causing WP:DRAMA. Mitch 32 ( Go Syracuse ) 11:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. Per precedent, state routes are inherently notable. While this road is not a state highway in the present day, it was in the past, and therefore coverage of its time as a state route is inherently notable. Thus, keep. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 11:45, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and nominating articles that are on FAC for deletion seems WP:POINTY, to me at least. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 11:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Very strong keep If it has no third party reliable sources to demonstrate notability how is it so well referenced? Maybe because it has loads of good sources which demonstrate notability.-- Patton t / c 11:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This is well-referenced, hence it is notable (per the Wikipedia definition). The number of people the road serves is not an issue for notablity. There are articles on little hamlets with fewer people than that and that have virtually no chance of being expanded. Notability is not the same as importance. Wikipedia has tons of article on things things that are not important to many people. --Polaron | Talk 12:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Well referenced and it shows the route has historic significance. Just because it's now defunct doesn't mean it loses notability. Plato has been dead for ages, but he's still notable. - Mgm|(talk) 13:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.