Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Newcastlewest F.C.


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure)  Rcsprinter  (rap)  @ 19:11, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Newcastlewest F.C.

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Contested PROD. Semi pro/amature team Newcastlewest F.C. does not meet notability guidelines as they have not received significant media coverage and have not advanced further than the 1st round of the FAI Cup, although they may technically pass WP:NFOOTY, this does not make them notable as no detailed reliable sources like match reports can be found. They have received no major honours other than finishing 9th in the league. JMHamo (talk) 21:36, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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 * Speedy keep Club does meet the generally accepted notability guidelines for football clubs as it has played in the national second tier and also in a national cup. Unsurprising that it's difficult to find sources as the club played in the national leagues in the 1980s, but a modern-day club in the LOI First Division would certaibly never be considered for deletion. Number   5  7  21:40, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. An odd nomination. Club was one of the six brought into the newly formed second division of the League of Ireland in 1985 in an attempt to broaden its reach, so it played a minor but notable part in the history of soccer in Ireland. They played at that level for five seasons, and their best finish was 6th, not 9th as suggested above. And, again contrary to nominator's claim that they never got past the first round of the FAI Cup, they did in fact reach the quarter final, twice, in 1988 and 1990. As to sources, try the archives of Irish newspapers. The Irish Times archive is paywalled, but some UK and academic libraries have subscriptions that are free to their members. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:41, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - per research from Number 57 and Struway2. GiantSnowman 16:04, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Concur with Number 57 and Struway2. Finnegas (talk) 09:07, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Neutral per WP:NRVE. Yes this club apparently played at the second level for a short time many years ago but where is the coverage beyond WP:ROUTINE mentions in lists and tables? Also compare comments here at the AfD for 1974 WFA Cup semi-finalists Swindon Spitfires. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 20:27, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Playing in the second-level would have made them notable. And notability is not temporary. --12.41.124.5 (talk) 21:34, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * But how can it be notable if there are no sources? If there's sustained, non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable sources surely it shouldn't be impossible to produce one example here. Saying there might be some coverage behind behind a paywall or in a library is the wikipedia equivalent of "Sir, a dog ate my homework"! Anyone could trot that line out in any deletion discussion. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 16:03, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It was a team in a league in the 1980's. It's simply WP:COMMON that the sources do exist - it was a league team in the 1980s, so there would be write ups on games, previews of games, etc., which is what the large portion of all sports coverage is. There has never been a Wikipedia requirement that the sources be available on the Internet. --12.41.124.5 (talk) 21:37, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Plenty of references have now been provided from the Irish Times. Number   5  7  13:22, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. Have played in both national league and national cup, which passes WP:NFOOTY. Murry1975 (talk) 23:38, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
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