Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Newton T. Bass


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) buidhe 01:38, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Newton T. Bass

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I cannot find any in-depth coverage outside a local paper ( in San Bernardino County Sentinel), and a single low quality source like this is hardly sufficient. There are few mentions on the county/town webesite (and even that is not particularly detailed, and does not seem to dedicate a supage or chapter for him, ). I really expected I'd find more, given he has a school and a stadium named after him in Apple Valley, California and is called the towns founder, but so far I am drawing blanks. As such, it seems to fail WP:GNG/NBIO, through I'd be happy to see this rescued. Sadly, my BEFORE failed. Hope you do better... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 14:38, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  14:38, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:00, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep (and improve) Plenty sources available: [] The Banner  talk 18:25, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:GOOGLEHITS argument is so 2000s. These days, you know, you are expected to actually read them and try to find something. I spend ~20m looking for sources. How about you spend at least one minute yourself? Do tell us what sources from your google search seem like in-depth and reliable. Go on.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:25, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but this argument gives me the idea that you again failed to do a proper WP:BEFORE. The Banner  talk 21:00, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: This is fairly in-depth, as is this.  If that isn't enough to satisfy WP:GNG, his extensive involvement in the oil and banking industries has also been covered, although I haven't been able to find anything online that is in-depth. This collection at the Huntington Library shows that the home he built was architecturally significant. It was clearly covered in depth in Pictorial California 36, no. 1, Winter 1961, 6–9.  Bathroom reproduced in: Carolyn S. Murray, "Look What's Happening to Showers!," House Beautiful 103, no. 8, August 1961, 76. Add all that to his legacy with a stadium and a library named after him and I gotta say keep. Toddst1 (talk) 00:50, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Very local coverage and mostly about local landmarks, not him... I like local history, but at some point the coverage in local media is just too local/niche. Was there even a single paragraph about him written in a peer review work? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:04, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:GNG does not have an exception for local coverage. You may be confusing this with WP:POLITICIAN which has an exception for local coverage but does not apply to the subject of this article.    He clearly has enough in-depth (local) coverage to pass WP:GNG. Then there's the 10 page feature in that hyper-local Saturday Evening Post mentioned here.  #BEFOREFAIL  Toddst1 (talk)


 * Keep per WP:NEXIST: Looking at Newspapers.com, I found the sources that I'll list here. This isn't all that's available -- I stopped looking after I found seven good ones.
 * "Apple Valley Desert Dream Come True", Pasadena Independent (Nov 7, 1948)
 * "Pigeon Airlift Is Started by Keeper of Inn", Amarillo Daily News (Dec 31, 1948)
 * "Son's Link to Slaying Shocks Newton T. Bass: Apple Valley Developer Says Youth Never Had Been in Any Trouble Before", Los Angeles Times (July 25, 1955)
 * "Bass Builds Quarter-Million Dollar Home", San Bernadino County Sun (June 21, 1959)
 * "Brisk Comet is Apple Valley Visitant" by Bill Emery, Independent Press-Telegram (Feb 3, 1963)
 * "Oil, Property Firms Plan to Merge", Daily Indepdent Journal (Nov 24, 1965)
 * "Developer of Apple Valley Dies at 79: Newton T. Bass Turned Oil Profits into a Real Estate Boom", Los Angeles Times (Feb 9, 1983)
 * These are from different periods in his life, so the type of coverage varies, but all of these articles are specifically about Bass -- either the development that he built, the company that he led, his personal life, or the pigeons that he trained to work in his hotel. (Seriously.)
 * Just the fact that the Los Angeles Times would use the headline "Son's Link to Slaying Shocks Newton T. Bass" on page 2 of the paper indicates that he was an important enough figure in the area for them to namecheck him, and assume that readers would recognize the name. And no, the metropolitan Los Angeles area does not count as "local". :) I'll add these to the article in a Further reading section, so that people who want to improve the article can use them as sources. -- Toughpigs (talk) 20:13, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep. This is part of series of mass-prods that should NEVER have happened per WP:PRD "PROD must only be used if no opposition to the deletion is expected." With must, this policy uses a strong word because this part of the policy is extremely important that we all keep. When there is a mix of keeps and deletes in an AfD the article should not have been prodded. Here I see ONLY keeps! Then nominations without serious research, although there are claims to the opposite. So many sources found above and this happens in prod-turned-afd after prod-turned-afd. Maybe find a more constructive method to contribute to WP? gidonb (talk) 00:58, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep per all the comments above, Sadads (talk) 17:26, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. His LA Times obit shows his notability. The low number of Ghits is probably due to his life prior to the Internet going global. Bearian (talk) 01:23, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


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