Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ngawang Tenzin Rinpoche


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. No one except Zulu believes that there is enough coverage in reliable sources. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 17:34, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Ngawang Tenzin Rinpoche

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Does not appear to be sufficient significant coverage in reliable sources WP:RS that are independent of the subject to confirm his notability, per WP:BIO. Polargeo (talk) 15:08, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
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 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This deletion is unnecessary, there was no attempt to talk about any article issues before this deletion proposal. There are reliable independent sources. The subject is notably accomplished. Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 16:03, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No good sources have been provided since this AFD was opened, despite the assertion of their existence. Until such are integrated into the article, delete William M. Connolley (talk) 21:32, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Thank you. I've found independently publish sources as well as other internet sources to substantiate this persons notability and inclusion. Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 13:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "bhutan astrology" doesn't sound like an RS William M. Connolley (talk) 14:00, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sources found have already been questioned on the talkpage. They cannot be considered independent of the subject. They say things like There is a suggested donation of $20 for this event, and you should bring a katak to present to Rinpoche for his blessing during the empowerment. You may also make an additional money offering to him at that time if you choose that certainly does not sound independent to me. Polargeo (talk) 14:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * These are typical practices at notable events. Do you have any evidence for [Self-dealing] of conflicts of interest per WP:COI ? Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 14:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What WP:notable event? Vajrakilaya teaching and empowerment with his holiness Ngawang Tenzin at The movement center? Does not look notable to me. Also we are talking about independent sources and a center advertising a seminar by someone is not independent as the centre wants the event to be a success and bring in money. Polargeo (talk) 16:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * How are the venue's activity different from a reliable sourced publication author who uses copyrighted material and must (not by voluntary donation) pay a royalty to a BLP subject?  The reliable source author wants the publication to be successfull and notable, they advertise and the collect payment for their work.  The venue's have independently verified Nagwang Tenzin's credentials through their own event verification processes. As a practical, financial and authorship matter, these are independent sources.  You might have to come up with some objective example, beyond your opinions to be convincing. Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 16:50, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * How an advert for a seminar at the "movement center" which is actually a local tantric center in Oregon qualifies as a reliable source for a BLP I do not know. Polargeo (talk) 17:01, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:RS says "How reliable a source is, and the basis of its reliability, depends on the context. As a general rule, the more people engaged in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the writing, the more reliable the publication." This is a highly reliable context for the subjects biography. Believe me, I seen false lama's put up their own self published credentials, this is not the case here.  The subject's credentials have been highly verified and validated. He has support from an independent entourage of Buddhist scholars Khenpo who travel and translate with him.  He's holds among the highness religious status in Bhutan, which is a country that is barley noticed. Zulu Papa 5 * (talk) 17:14, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I have removed the reference to the book published by Books, LLC because that publisher takes its content from Wikipedia. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:50, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. Lack of independent and reliable sources. - MrOllie (talk) 17:01, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
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