Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ngee ann secondary school

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was no concensus. - Mailer Diablo 08:00, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ngee ann secondary school
POV puffery about a non-notable school in Singapore. /sɪzlæk ˺/  08:38, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, BEEFSTEW 3 (ADH). &mdash;Korath (Talk) 09:20, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Gamaliel 09:23, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, cleanup as necessary. Kappa 09:28, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete the article says nothing worth knowing about the school. Thryduulf 11:05, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per low BEEFSTEW score. Radiant_* 15:13, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete this and all other articles on nonnotable high schools. --Angr 15:31, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable, just another high school. --InShaneee 15:34, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, just a non-notable secondary school. DaveTheRed 18:37, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Simply a directory entry and Wikipedia is not a directory. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:56, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete No useful information. Chris 20:01, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per low BEEFSTEW score and Dpbsmith's reasoning. android↔talk 20:08, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, school vanity. Jonathunder 02:44, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)
 * Keep What a waste of time Wincoote 20:13, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, Wikipedia policy, as determined by a poll, is that articles on high schools should not be deleted. - SimonP 01:19, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * That is a misinterpretation. The poll is broken down into categories by, basically, levels of notability, and that the more obscure categories have a clear majority for deletion. Radiant_* 08:13, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * note that the poll dates from November 2003 and was already regarded as out of date in October 2004. Thryduulf 01:45, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * The Deletion policy only says that certain things are not reasons for deletion. (Non)-notabilty is not amoung them.
 * It does give examples of things that may require deletion, including:
 * No potential to become encyclopedic (see WP:NOT) [e.g. its not notable enough for enough people to know/want to know about it and thus improve the article]
 * Vanity page [i.e. the subject is not notable enough to merit and article]
 * from Vanity page: Usually, vanity authors write about themselves, their significant others, or their high schools.
 * Completely idiosyncratic non-topic [e.g. the topic is not notable enough to merit an encycolpedia article]
 * from Guide to Votes for Deletion: "non-notable" or "NN" are shorthands for "Something that that (the voter thinks) is unimportant due to its obscurity or lack of differentiation from others of its type". See above for several guidelines to notability that some Wikipedians agree upon and apply.
 * from Votes for deletion/Precedents: This page is an attempt to make a collection of precedent-setting Votes for Deletion decisions. This is full of notability criteria and non-notability votes.
 * So Wikipedia actually does have a notability criteria. Thryduulf 01:40, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC) (I wrote this in response to a claim that WP has no notability criteria, that seems to have been changed between my reading it and my finishing my post). Thryduulf 01:45, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * As noted elsewhere, I think the results of that poll are, to coin a phrase, so completely and irremediably confused that no intelligent person can be expected to try to make head or tail of it. It is not a touchstone that can be used as a working tool to crystallize consensus on particular cases. I can't remember it being cited more than a couple of times in all of 2004. I think the hope was that the poll would demonstrate consensus for at least the extreme cases, and IMHO it didn't. I still think the most accurate thing that can be said about high schools and lower grades is that there is no consensus. That poll is perfectly good gotcha material and I should have at least said touché when someone pointed out an inconsistency in my vote on that poll and a vote in a particular VfD, but it's not a generally accepted current consensus. If someone really thinks there is consensus now, they need to state what that consensus position is and conduct a discussion and see whether people agree. I don't think it's possible to obtain consistent conformance to a policy unless it is current consensus. And I do mean "consensus," not "majority." Dpbsmith (talk) 14:07, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree that the poll doesn't show any kind of a consensus. And there obviously is not a consensus on the school matter. So I wonder if we can resolve this matter somehow? Radiant_* 09:21, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, according to Wikipedia notability criteria. Jayjg (talk) 05:18, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, schoolcruft. Megan1967 06:23, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and allow for organic growth. --GRider\talk 19:15, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Schools in Singapore are just as important as schools outside Singapore.--Gene_poole 23:23, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. See my points at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Any policy regarding school articles?. -- Toytoy 04:34, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into Tampines and delete - Skysmith 10:07, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. --BaronLarf 19:08, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. School vanity in Singapore is just as non-encyclopedic as vanity elsewhere. Jonathunder 19:11, 2005 Mar 29 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. --Carnildo 20:16, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Needs a little NPOV work but we've seen worse.  --Zero 22:53, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 06:27, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep this school's article. Notability is subjective.  ~leif &#9786; HELO 04:51, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notability not established. Indrian 07:45, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, needs expansion -- Lochaber 11:08, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable schools in Singapore are just as non-notable as non-notable schools outside Singapore. Vlad M V  ٭ talk 19:01, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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