Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicevenn


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   closed as moot - article has been partially merged, and redirected to Queen of Elphame. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 04:41, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Nicevenn

 * – (View AfD (View log  •  AfD statistics)

Likely hoax. This article about a Scottish Goddess has lacked sources since its creation by in August 2005. On 00:55, 10 December 2009, tagged this article as a hoax, writing "what are the sources? what kind of name is Nicevenn? what connection is there between these wildly differing names?" A Google Books search returns no usable results; several of the results are from Icon Group International, which reprints Wikipedia articles. Unless sources are found to verify that this topic exists, this article should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 08:20, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. I think the more common spelling is "Nicnevin", of which this is a plausible variant.  As you'd expect with Anglicized Gaelic, there will be several spellings.  Nicnevin is a relative or other name of the Queen of Elphame, IIRC.  This may not actually be a hoax, but may need to be moved and expanded. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:27, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't delete just yet. There's a good deal of utter nonsense dreamt up in Neopagan circles, with dramatic leaps of fancy to give them wings (this is not a slur, by the way, I'm a pagan myself), but there may actually be some basis for this. Nicnevin could be a better anglicization of a Gaelic name. That's a great lead. I do, however, question what the link might be with "Dame Habonde, Abundia (German), Satia, Bensozie, Zobiana, or Herodiana", let alone La Befana. Is there any substance here, or is this list no more than a grab bag of female characters from European folklore of various nationalities? Q·L·1968 ☿ 17:52, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Nicnevin seems to be more of a crone figure. Google Books confirms at minimum that she's a subject in Katharine Briggs's Dictionary of Fairies, which I have at home.  Somewhere.  I will see if there's enough there to make an article.  Astounded that we don't yet have an article on the Queen of Elphame yet; if we did, that and perhaps this might profitably be redirected there.  The Neo-Pagan approach typically is interpretatio graeca on steroids: all female figures of folklore are goddesses, and all goddesses are aspects of one universal goddess.  That sort of thing needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but that doesn't turn this into a hoax quite yet. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 18:00, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Might have found something. On pages 279-280 of this 19th-century book, we find Nicnevin compared with Habundia, Hecate and the Gyre-Carlin under the heading of ‘fairy queen’. Apparently Nicnevin appears in something by Sir Walter Scott, and more obscurely earlier. Let's say keep (but we'll need to rename it and clean it up). Q·L·1968 ☿ 18:02, 10 December 2009 (UTC) and 20:58, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Clearly not  hoax, though it needs to be expanded into a proper article after suitable research. Another possible spelling seems to be "Niceven".    DGG ( talk ) 20:19, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I hate to keep harping on this, but possible according to what? Q·L·1968 ☿ 20:58, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment. I have created a very basic article about the Queen of Elphame, and at least provisionally redirected Nicnevin to it.  I don't see any genuinely old attestations of the spellings Nicevenn or Niceven, and I suspect they are of relatively recent origin.  The basic ground of this article is covered there now too, although the identification with Italian legends is probably still a bit of a stretch. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 22:11, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Nomination withdrawn per confirmation that this is not a hoax. Redirect to Queen of Elphame per Smerdis of Tlön. Cunard (talk) 00:20, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.