Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicholas Barker


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Per WP:MUSICBIO which includes a note specifically stating that in small ensembles all members are presumed reasonably prominent. Just claiming that a certain number of reliable sources are required (which has no basis in policy) is not sufficient and neither is claiming sources are failing WP:RS without further explanation. Both the currently used Blabbermouth.net and Metal Hammer, which operates TeamRock.com appear to be journalistic endeavors and this discussion included no reason to think otherwise.  So Why  15:35, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Nicholas Barker

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. No individual coverage. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:09, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — Sam Sailor 14:37, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep - he was a drummer for several notable bands. The cruft is easy to remove. Bearian (talk) 02:05, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The wording is "who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles." Where are the write-ups to demonstrate the subject's prominence? Fails GNG. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:05, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I easily removed the cruft. I note that he played at Metalmania. Bearian (talk) 02:10, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I think reasonable minds can differ here. Bearian (talk) 13:18, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Just because you are not familiar with the subject it does not mean that it should be removed. – Sabbatino (talk) 07:11, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It's not about my knowledge, but complete lack of sources on the subject. In other words, jut because you can't find sources for the subject doesn't mean we should keep it. I trust that the closing admin will see the complete lack of argument on your part. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:21, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 02:47, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. I can't see this failing GNG. Barker is a pretty noteworthy drummer in extreme metal circles. —  Richard  BB  10:18, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yet there are none. Please provide five (5) that meet RS. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:33, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets WP:MUSICBIO, 'member of two or more notable ensembles'. Original drummer for Cradle of Filth and per Sonor.com and TeamRock.com drummed for Dimmu Borgir, Lock Up and Gorgoroth among others. Insisting on specifically 5 (five) sources isn't a reasonable standard to avoid deletion. Deleting the article wouldn't make the encylopedia better, which has to be the basic test. Mortee (talk) 14:11, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Fine. Find three. The threshold is "sources" and the problem is most sources on niche performers like this fail RS, so I set the bar high. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:05, 6 February 2017 (UTC)


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