Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicholas Connor (film director)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. bd2412 T 00:12, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Nicholas Connor (film director)

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 * Note to closing administrator: The article has been moved to Nicholas Connor (Filmmaker) since its nomination. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note to closing administrator: The article has been moved to Nicholas Connor (Filmmaker) since its nomination. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note to closing administrator: The article has been moved to Nicholas Connor (Filmmaker) since its nomination. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note to closing administrator: The article has been moved to Nicholas Connor (Filmmaker) since its nomination. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note to closing administrator: The article has been moved to Nicholas Connor (Filmmaker) since its nomination. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note to closing administrator: The article has been moved to Nicholas Connor (Filmmaker) since its nomination. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note to closing administrator: The article has been moved to Nicholas Connor (Filmmaker) since its nomination. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note to closing administrator: The article has been moved to Nicholas Connor (Filmmaker) since its nomination. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note to closing administrator: The article has been moved to Nicholas Connor (Filmmaker) since its nomination. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Connor is a young student filmmaker whose early career shows some promise, but who has not yet achieved the recognition or significant coverage required to meet WP:CREATIVE, WP:BIO, and WP:GNG. Articles about him and his work have all been created by a single editor, and all are being co-nominated in this AfD. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:34, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.   CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   19:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.   CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   19:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:44, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Note that two articles are nominated for deletion herein: Nicholas Connor (Film Director) and Think Of Me (2015 Film). The latter was added to this discussion on 12:43, 28 April 2017 (diff). As such, !votes prior to this time only pertain to the Nicholas Connor (Film Director) article.
 * Keep This page should not be speedily deleted because as seen in the reference material there is sufficient material to back notability. The material placed is not bias, notable (as seen there is full media coverage including red carpet events at Odeon Leicester Square with reviews from notable critics/authors. The films linked star actors who have been awarded BAFTA's and are incredibly notable, the productions linked are professional.) and it appears that the contesting of the article is believing age is a factor in success (ie. use of language -student', 'young') when age should not be a factor if the subject is in fact notable. The subject is also not a 'student' and neither are the projects associated, the belief that being a 'young' person is a factor in notability by the wiki editor who contested is an incorrect fact. If the editors read the articles referenced they will understand this notability and I hope not delete this page/other pages associated to 'Nicholas Connor' who the articles are very neutrally written about. Film9 (talk) 22:07, 27 April 2017 (UTC)Film9 — Film9 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Speedy Keep The page's source material and connections to work with notability suggests the articles notability for Wiki standards. I do however believe the page requires edits to further enhance it, Film9 includes sufficient reference but cites it in a messy way. The article shows industry recognition (awards/nominations with large organizations) and also press recognition matching WP:CREATIVE, WP:BIO, or WP:GNG. With more additions to possible festivals/connections would help the matter and with a more experienced Wiki User than Film9 the article may benefit. In addition the films in connection to Nicholas Connor appear in part notable, Cotton Wool has a well-known cast and supported by organizations such as The Stroke Association, Northern Lights (2016 Film) however is less notable with some numerous respected awards and a  slightly unknown cast.  Wiki Cell (talk) 08:19, 28 April 2017 (UTC) — Wiki Cell (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment I'm going to have to disagree. The page's source material show a series of local interest pieces on a young filmmaker, but do not show the depth or significance of coverage required, and Connor's connections to "work with notability" is limited to work on his own films (whose notability is questioned in this discussion) and minor roles on other works (whose notability is under discussion elsewhere). The awards and nominations are from smaller, non-notable film festivals.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:25, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. This looks like a concerted effort to promote this film maker and all a number of people and subjects connected to him. Domdeparis (talk) 12:31, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Add to bundling i'm adding another film to the bundle Think Of Me (2015 Film) which is another of Conner's shorts. Domdeparis (talk) 12:43, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm going to create another Afd discussion for a similar series of page creations that this user has done to promote another filmmaker and connected subjects that fail the notability guidlines.Domdeparis (talk) 12:47, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete This is an interconnected, walled garden meant for promotional purposes. This is a misuse of Wikipedia and needs to be stopped.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:02, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not sure I'd consider it outright promotion, at least not of an individual. The author's edits suggest rather that he is interested in expanding Wikipedia's content on the British independent film industry as a whole, which is a good thing although the specific choices the editor has made to try to include these specific non-notable examples make for not such a great start.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:37, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * CommentThank you for your understanding, I hope to begin branching out now and contact Wikipedia:WikiProject Film. Hopefully you will see in my future contributions more notable/helpful edits. I only wished to expand British film industry information as it is what interests me, but on further reading of your comments/ more experience in making edits on Wikipedia, I understand this is not helpful. All the very best Film9 (talk) 17:48, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:06, 5 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I'd say Keep all of them. All these articles seem to have enough in the way of references, awards, critical reception (or could have), to satisfy WP:Notability; and the objection that these were added “for promotional purposes” flies in the face of WP:AGF without evidence of paid promotion. As they are all British independents they are something of a niche interest, but then so is most of the content on WP: It wouldn't be here unless someone was interested enough to write about it, so objecting because someone has actually done so seems a bit WP:BITEY, no? Swanny18 (talk) 21:56, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 *  'Keep ' The Northern Lights has won notable awards such as at the London film festival which is a major festival and should be kept, as this a bundle ( which I disagree with as the articles are very different in terms of their notability) my keep vote will have to apply to them all Atlantic306 (talk) 00:55, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment That is incorrect. Northern Lights won the London Film Awards, not an award at the London Film Festival. These are two very different things. The London Film Festival is certainly a major film festival and winning an award there would merit inclusion at Wikipedia. The London Film Awards appears to be a much less significant thing, with no Wikipedia article of its own and no evidence of significant coverage.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:33, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info, have struck keep vote Atlantic306 (talk) 14:28, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: I concur with the nominator, promising, but not ready for Wikipedia yet. Waggie (talk) 18:29, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete all -- not notable for Wiki yet, and part of a walled garden of equally nn subjects. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:16, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete all - searches did not turn up enough to show they pass WP:GNG, and they don't pass WP:CREATIVE. Onel 5969  TT me 12:14, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep -- his age shouldn't matter, when considering his notability. Being an award winning filmmaker makes one notable -- for certain particularly high-profile awards.  Connor is an award winning filmmaker, but not for one of the high-profile awards that confers notability, all by itself.  That does not mean that the awards he received don't confer a measure of notability.  Notability is not inherited.  Merely appearing near more highly notable film personalities does not make him notable.  But, I suggest, having them explicitly praise him, say he is a talent to watch, does, also, confer some notability.  Some of the references for this article seem weak, obscure.  But I accept that others, like this one, do confer genuine notability.  In my opinion there are sufficeint notability factors to pass our notability threshhold.  Geo Swan (talk) 18:07, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Charles Dance did not say that Nick Connor is a talent to watch. Charles Dance was hired to be the presenter at the Into Film awards ceremony, at which Connor won the "One to Watch" award. These are two very different things. The coverage provided by the Oldham Chronicle for this event is very much of the "local boy makes good" type. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:22, 17 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. I notice the first two "votes" to keep were made by editors with few or no edits outside the AfD. Ifnord (talk) 19:06, 17 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.