Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicholas Ng-A-Fook


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The result was delete. Vanamonde (talk) 05:02, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Nicholas Ng-A-Fook

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Very résumé-like WP:BLP of an academic, referenced entirely to his own writing rather than to reliable source coverage about him. As always, people do not get Wikipedia articles by being the author of their own sources, they get Wikipedia articles by being the subject of coverage written by other people. Bearcat (talk) 00:34, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete a non-notable academic.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:36, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete this bloated BLP. Fails WP:Prof with only 97 cites in GS. Would need to be ten times higher for a chance of a pass. Xxanthippe (talk) 03:50, 26 November 2018 (UTC).
 * Delete Very interesting work, but not many citations, WP:TOOSOON. Could someone add this to Canada-related deletion discussions, as that is where he is mainly based? RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:28, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Numerous articles/coverage authored by others either about or featuring Ng-A-Fook have now been added. Additionally, Ng-A-Fook was the past President for the Canadian Society for the Study of Education and has received the Ted. T. Aoki Distinguished Service Award, which I believe meets criteria 3 and 2, respectively in WP:ACADEMIC Bdags (talk) 15:12, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Being the president of an organization is not a pass of criterion #3 — that requires being selected for membership in a learned society that grants membership to selected people, not just being on the board of directors of a voluntary association that anybody can join by paying the fee. And criterion #2 is also not passed by just any academic award that exists — only a certain specific "elite" subset of highly notable awards are enough to pass that, and you haven't shown any evidence that the Ted T. Aoki Distinguished Service Award is in that set at all. (For example, not only do we not have a Wikipedia article about it, we don't even have a Wikipedia article about the person it was named for. And even if it had those things, that still wouldn't necessarily clinch the award's status as an "inherently" notability-making distinction for its winners in and of itself, because a lot would still depend on how important the article could demonstrate the award to be, but an award that has neither of those things definitely can't make its winners notable for winning it per se.) Bearcat (talk) 20:10, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The relevant criterion for presidency of an organization is #6, not #3. But the case is undercut somewhat by the question of whether the Canadian Society for the Study of Education is really a "major academic society" — if it's so major why don't we have an article about it? —David Eppstein (talk) 22:46, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Valid points. I'm curious if the new additions of outside sources/articles has impacted Ng-A-Fook's notability at all? I am also curious of the defining criteria for a major academic society- is it necessary to have a wikipedia page to be considered major?Bdags (talk) 02:17, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It's not so much that a Wikipedia article is a core condition per se, because sometimes organizations that are notable enough for Wikipedia articles just don't actually have them yet, and sometimes organizations that are technically notable enough to have Wikipedia articles still aren't "major" enough to be conferrers of encyclopedic notability on people just for being affiliated with that organization per se. But what is necessary is some form of actual hard evidence that the organization is "major" — just saying it's "major" isn't enough in and of itself, if we have no way to evaluate its majorness or lack thereof. Bearcat (talk) 16:43, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. For the record, the Canadian Society for the Study of Education is the largest organization of professors, students, researchers and practitioners in education in Canada. CSSE is the major national voice for those who create educational knowledge, prepare teachers and educational leaders, and apply research in the schools, classrooms and institutions of Canada. Founded in 1972, the bilingual CSSE is an umbrella organization consisting of several national constituent associations. The president is nominated by peers and then elected by members. Here is a link for reference https://csse-scee.ca/about/. I'm not sure if this counts as evidence that it's a major organization, but definitely worth checking out. Additionally, Ng-A-Fook is a memeber of the Professor of Curriculum (POC). Bdags (talk) 02:11, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per, , and .-- Shibboleth ink (♔ ♕) 18:31, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment. The edit history of Bdags is instructive. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:45, 30 November 2018 (UTC).
 * Comment. It seems like all the edits that have been made since the beginning of this dicsussion have dissapeared- why? I know users are allowed to edit the page while it is up for discussion, so I am just wondering where all the edits have gone. Thanks Bdags (talk) 18:30, 1 December 2018 (UTC)


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