Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicholas Paget-Brown


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The result was keep.  Sandstein  20:40, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Nicholas Paget-Brown

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BLP with all sources being primary, or WP:PUS (Mirror, blog), and/or non-independent (interviews). Notability in interviews is for the topic Grenfell Tower fire, and is WP:NOTINHERITED by this person. Creating BLP on those notability grounds seems a BLP violation e.g. a balanced article cannot be created right now, and stringing together a BLP from primaries in connection with this potentially criminal topic is best avoided (with current sourcing), and this article currently WP:COATRACKs controversy sourced to the Mirror and a blog. Without a single secondary, independent RS about the subject this fails notability WP:GNG. Don't think K&C region counts per WP:NPOLITICIAN either. (no objection to article if the BLP is based on WP:RS per WP:BLP) Widefox ; talk 13:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to Grenfell Tower fire which mentions him multiple times. He's not notable per WP:ONEEVENT: aside from some local reporting of everyday council business, he doesn't seem to have attracted significant press interest before last week. If he's shown to be criminally liable over the fire, or (very unlikely) continues to higher political office, then he may become notable, but currently he is not. --Colapeninsula (talk) 15:01, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep while British councillors are not inherently notable by WP:NPOL, there's enough coverage of him related to the fire for it to meet WP:GNG. Any speculation about un-filed criminal charges should be removed from the article. Power~enwiki (talk) 21:34, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Power~enwiki Which coverage? Primary sources don't count for notability, which is most of them. I don't see a single source that counts for notability, so it fails GNG. WP:ONEEVENT also applies - the topic is clearly Grenfell Tower fire, so we shouldn't have an article on this BLP, but on the event. Widefox ; talk 08:11, 21 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep, or redirect as suggested by Colapeninsula. Nicholas Paget-Brown is not merely an elected local official, he has been the Leader of the Council of a significant London Borough, the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, since 2013. People will seek neutral, reliable information about him, especially in light of the recent disaster at Grenfell Tower, which is a block of flats owned by and situated in that Borough. The information about Mr Paget-Brown could, for instance, include his party affiliation and details of the responsibilities of the leader. I should prefer unreliably sourced material to be edited out of the article than that the article be deleted altogether. If proceedings are brought against him, care should be taken that Wikipedia does not find itself in contempt of court — the law in England and Wales in this field is not like the law in the United States. I hope this deletion debate can be kept free of Wikipedia editors' jargon. --Frans Fowler (talk) 21:36, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Frans Fowler, Leader of the Council are not notable per WP:NPOL (they are just local councillors who are leaders of the largest group, to see examples of UK ones without articles or redlinks see List of United Kingdom council leaders). The argument seems WP:USEFUL - one to avoid at AfD. Although reasonable to look for answers and hold those responsible to account, this is not the place to WP:RIGHT WRONGS, even more so because of ongoing criminal investigations, we must strictly follow WP:BLP and policies such as WP:ONEEVENT / WP:BLP1E and avoid creating BLPs when they are in the news for one event. Widefox ; talk 08:11, 21 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep', as per above. 188.74.64.210 (talk) 22:21, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 188.74.64.210 which above, and please reason why (see "Comment" below). Widefox ; talk 08:11, 21 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment, and note to closer please be aware that this isn't a vote - see WP:AFD, arguments based on relevant policies such as WP:NPOL, WP:ONEEVENT, WP:NBIO / WP:BLP1E have more weight, and this must follow WP:BLP. Widefox ; talk 08:11, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NPOLITICIAN: "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage", which criterion he satisfied before the fire. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:15, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Andy Mabbett is right, Paget-Brown does meet the WP:NPOLITICIAN criterion for a local politician. Edwardx (talk) 14:36, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, WP:NPOL: "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage...in reliable sources that are independent". Has lots of such coverage even before the fire i.e. the major UK national newspapers going back the last 9 years: . K&C isn't a region, it's a borough like Queens or the Bronx. London boroughs are smaller, as there's 30 rather than 5, but he's the political leader of a borough of 160 000 people, Tom B (talk) 01:37, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Point 2 of NPOL says "Major local political figures" and it is highly questionable if he is "major". He has obviously been reported in London area newspapers but not nationally. He became nationally known because of the Grenfell fire and, until then, he was hardly known about even within K&C or the Tory party. Point 3 of NPOL, which has been overlooked till now, says: "Just being an elected local official does not guarantee notability". At the end of the day, this local Tory was nothing more than that until the fire. He therefore fails WP:GNG. If we are going to have an article about one local Tory councillor, even if he is a council leader, where are all the rest? There is an element of WP:CRYSTAL in the creation of the article because there is much speculation in the British media about prosecutions to be made in future once the inquiry into the causes of the fire has been completed. Jack &#124; talk page 14:34, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep: fails WP:NPOL, but passes WP:GNG.  Dr Strauss   talk  06:44, 28 June 2017 (UTC)


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