Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nick Joong (2nd nomination)


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The result was speedy delete as a hoax. The subject is a random teen in India who is claiming to be a member of South Korean boy group Exo by extracting the information from Byun Baek-hyun, as well as uploading various pictures—sans one photo which is genuinely the uploader—of the aforementioned subject and trying to pass them off as himself (I had to deal with that mess on Commons, where you can find notices on the user's talk page). This is blatant attempt to spread misinformation, and this simply will not be tolerated. ℯ xplicit 02:02, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Nick Joong
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Fails notability, WP:GNG, WP:BIO, WP:ENTERTAINER. The article is awfully nonspecific as to exactly what his role is with S.M. It seems like he sings in groups. The article claims a New Star award from the 2016 SBS Drama Awards, but the article on 2016 SBS Drama Awards shows that, first, this award doesn't single out one winner and, second that he wasn't one of the ten people who received it. The article also says he "released" his first group song in the form of "Monster", but the table below that shows that "Monster" was an Exo video, where Exo is a nine-person group, and he isn't one of those people. So it's hard to see how this hit amounts to "significant popularity and commercial success" for Nick Joong. Finally:


 * a Google search for yields 23 results;
 * I don't know how many of the hits for the search relate to him, but even in that case Google returns only 120 hits, which is very few for a celebrity; and
 * a Google search for yields 50 hits, pretty much all social media. Largoplazo (talk) 18:48, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Further, also fails the particular requirements of WP:MUSICBIO. He has: Note this has also been speedilly deleted G3 previously, although I cannot of course see what if any similarities there are between them. Fails notability requirements. Too soon. Either fan cruft or autobio. —SerialNumber54129 paranoia / cheap shit room 19:11, 17 May 2018 (UTC) *Note I CSD G4 for this and the duplicate Afd don't need CSD, just simply NACR, which I done based on #4. --Quek157 (talk) 19:30, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt. Blatant self-promo. No notability (fails GNG & SSG), fails verifiability. The author has repeatedly moved it out of the draft space despite a block and numerous warnings and notices. The author has also tried to insert false information multiple times into the article and a notable boyband's article claiming to be part of the band. King And God 18:54, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I nominated this for AfD almost simulatenously with this one. Rationale follows.Seventeen-year old Korean boy singer. WP:TOOSOON (hopefully, for his career) appies. Userfication not an option as has been delted once, userfied once, and now in mainspace for the second time. There has ben insufficent coverage of him of any depth or persistence in reliable sources to enable him to pass the (less than vigourous) requirements of WP:ANYBIO.
 * Not "been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published" reliable sources;
 * Not "had a single or album on any country's national music chart"—"online real-time music charts" need not apply;
 * Not "had a record certified gold or higher" in any country;
 * Not "received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour";
 * Not "released two or more albums on a major record label" or any other label.
 * Not "an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians"—his collaboration does not apply.
 * Not "become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style" or any regional style or scene;
 * Not "won or been nominated for a major music award"—Grammy, Mercury's rather than the SBS award.
 * Not "won first, second or third place in a major music competition";
 * 9 is arguable; but as the criterion says, "if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article," which seems particularly applicable since only one of the shows he has performed in seems notable;
 * Not "been placed in rotation nationally by a major" station;
 * Not "been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network."
 * I removed the G4 tag. That applies to discussions that reached a consensus for deletion. That discussion never got off the ground. See WP:G4. Largoplazo (talk) 19:35, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Nevermind, I use A7/G11 as COI is also suspected. --Quek157 (talk) 19:36, 17 May 2018 (UTC) *Delete - per a combination of G3,G4,G11,A7. All are youtube sources as well as one korean source which doesn't have his name. User also have a record of an G3 as well as multiple speedy. I don't support userification anymore as it will not improve. Ambivalent on SALT as we can G4 this time round. --Quek157 (talk) 20:09, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Excellent analysis! I heartily agree. —SerialNumber54129  paranoia / cheap shit room 20:23, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

--Quek157 (talk) 20:33, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * And then he can recreate it at Nick joong or Nick Joong (singer) or some such thing. He's already shown himself to be persistent. Please, just let this go through to the end. Largoplazo (talk) 20:41, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Hope not --Quek157 (talk) 20:43, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. clpo13(talk) 21:33, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Korea-related deletion discussions. clpo13(talk) 21:33, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


 * removed all comments, let others chip in --Quek157 (talk) 21:53, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. CSD tags are rarely acted upon when there is an AFD effect (at least recently). cinco deL3X1 ◊distænt write◊  21:58, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. I believe this aricle is 100% a hoax. Random86 (talk) 22:05, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Oh, so it was all just cribbed from Byun Baek-hyun. Largoplazo (talk) 22:40, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. with the above, nothing much to say, I am wondering where such info is to be taken from, and it's from baekhyun. I stand now by my previous comments. I watched the 2016 SBS Drama Awards twice and wondering where this person is. Perfect CSI work from, now we think this can permanently disappear from wiki. To add from above deleted all are youtube sources as well as one korean source which doesn't have his name. User also have a record of an G3 as well as multiple speedy. I don't support userification anymore as it will not improve. Ambivalent on SALT as we can still do a G4, will let this run it's course. To note, I am still learning CSD, see my CSD logs, I only used it from this month. So hope for some slack to be cut , I certainly did not want to cry this at AN/I. I just wanted in good faith to make this end faster, but understood will be worse. On record, I am back to wikipedia only 2 months, though my account is a 2007 one. Thanks a lot --Quek157 (talk) 22:54, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


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