Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nick Robinson (origami)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. No consensus to delete outright after Alexbateman proposed a rewritten version, which most people seem to like.  Sandstein  05:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Nick Robinson (origami)

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Unsourced since 2007. Author of origami books, but all the hits at reliable sources were about the giant origami penis he constructed to publicise one of these books, hints of WP:BLP1E here. No significant coverage beyond this one event. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 13:45, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
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 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  kur  ykh   05:11, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletions. – --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 13:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree with the nominator's analysis above. Subject fails WP:CREATIVE. Pcap ping  05:37, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Nick Robinson seems to be a published author and origami expert, his books are translated and recommended even in my country . In my opinion, the erotic origami is not WP:BLP1E case, but an interesting addition to his other activities. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 10:35, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Neutral - Technically it fails the BLP Prod criteria... no assertion is referenced. Instead there's a laundry list of further reading. That might reference this individual (with the common name), or it might just be... further reading. I found some books and some other references. I would probably entertain the notion that this individual is notable in the origami circles, but technically it fails the BLP criteria badly. I'll drop a note at the rescue squad about this article. Shadowjams (talk) 08:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm the author in question, sadly far from a wiki-expert. I feel 33 origami books with sales of well into the millions probably ranks me along with several other origami experts who have uncontested wiki pages. I've been awarded a Sidney French medal for services to origami and recently made an honorary member of the British Origami Society, one of only 8 living folders to receive such an honour. I've been invited as a "star guest" to conventions in America, Japan, France, Italy, Germany, Austria and Switzerland. The web has typically fastened onto one notable publicity stunt related to a seaside-humour book, but that's *far* from what I'm about. If you can advise me what evidence you need to keep this article, I'll gladly see if I can provide it. Apologies for just "pasting" this here, I don't know what the procedure is or who to contact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robinsonnick (talk • contribs) 18:16, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - unreferenced autobiography. Nick, if you are important enough, someone will write a WP article about you.  Please read WP:Autobiography. Wikipedia is not about advertising yourself.    talk 23:06, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * @Snottywong: Creating an article about yourself is "strongly discouraged", not "forbidden". Mr. Robinson could be interested in Wikipedia guidelines describing using of independent and reliable sources.--Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 13:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I have now had a go at a rewrite of this biography, see User:Alexbateman/Sandbox. I think that this should remove concerns of autobiography and is more focussed on notability. I have kept the further reading section, but given it a new heading to make it clearer what it represents. If others think this is reasonable then I propose to replace the existing article with the new version. Comments please. Alexbateman (talk) 11:28, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * keep - I agree that this does appear to be autobiography, but actually I think that Nick Robinson is a notable origami author. I would say that the article probably needs a ground zero rewrite to bring its content stylistically into line. Alexbateman (talk) 13:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Good work, Alex. The COI issue seems to be settled now and I agree with replacing the article with the new version. I've added more sources, hope you don't mind. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 13:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree with replacing the original with the userfied version, !vote is to keep this version. J04n(talk page) 14:16, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that you have done good work, Alex - but I still feel that the reference there seems to show that this is a BLP1E - I am not convinced that there is sufficient coverage of Robinson to show that he meets the Notability criteria- the coverage I can find is almost all connected with the giant penis stunt. There is one reference; and of the three external links, one is the same as the reference; one is his own website; the other is the British Origami Society's "Honours" - and Robinson is/was the editor of the BoS's magazine, so not totally independent. I would be more convinced that he meets WP:AUTHOR if I could find significant coverage of his books (rather than the penis publicity stunt) --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 20:05, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Google news shows he gets coverage, his books mentioned, and his giant penis stunt as well.   D r e a m Focus  21:12, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
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