Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicolai Herzog


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 23:48, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Nicolai Herzog

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no coverage outside primary sources Prisencolin (talk) 23:58, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2016 May 10.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 00:10, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - It's been quite a while since this issue was meaningfully addressed at AfD. With overwhelming agreement across seven deletion discussions (see discussions on Brian Selden, Tommi Hovi, Darwin Kastle, Kai Budde, Mike Long, and Jon Finkel, twice), it's fairly clear that there is a consensus that the top Magic: The Gathering players are notable. On that basis, WP:MTG established some guidelines as to when an MTG player is notable, which Herzog meets. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:52, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The WP:MTG guidelines allow for pages that don't otherwise meet GNG requirements. Many of these pro players articles just lack reliable, secondary sources, plain and simple and so shouldn't exist on WP as standalone articles. Note that per WP:LOCALCONCENSUS "... unless they can convince the broader community that such action is right, participants in a WikiProject cannot decide that some generally accepted policy or guideline does not apply to articles within its scope. " Also note that an WP:ALTERNATIVE, a fan wiki that covers the MTG pro scene, exists. So its not like this information would be lost if not for wikipedia.--Prisencolin (talk) 03:47, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, very reluctantly. Seems like a really fascinating piece for an article (I love niche topics like MTG), but unfortunately there just isn't enough content to merit the article's existence. I've looked through as many articles as I could find and the only slightly reliable source I was able to find was this which seems obviously to not be about the person the article is about. It's a delete for me, but I think a discussion about what the qualifications for notability of MTG players needs to be re-hashed (the last conversation I could find about it at WP:MTG was here in 2009). To Sir Sputnik's points above-- Jon Finkel's AfD passed because of a book about his work with poker and I think the other ones are pretty questionable. Nomader (talk) 16:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The source is in fact about the same Nicolai Herzog, though I would never have guessed it if it weren't for the photo. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Huh! No kidding. That's crazy. Unfortunately the article isn't *about* him (it's about the station he works for), so I'm still leaning towards delete but I can certainly see why people would vote to keep this article. That's an crazy. Nomader (talk) 19:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as still questionable for any better notability improvements, although informative and sourced, this is still questionable for better. SwisterTwister   talk  21:31, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


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