Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicolas Moreau (actor)


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The result was   keep. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 04:28, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Nicolas Moreau (actor)

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Unable to find reliable, secondary sources which verify the existence of or évidence the notability of this French actor. Many initially apparent hits refer to the historic Jacob-Nicolas Moreau, not this actor. Additional sources welcomed, as always. Moved to keep below. --joe deckertalk to me 03:02, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete, unable to find any significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject of this unsourced BLP. J04n(talk page) 23:11, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep if it's this guy: (Hmmm... IMDb template doing something I wasn't expecting) IMDb entry --Northernhenge (talk) 19:29, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 00:20, 5 October 2011 (UTC)




 * Delete fails WP:GNG. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:44, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * He's probably OK on WP:ENT (1) and (3), especially as he's clearly currently active. I don't know about (2) 'Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following' but that could hopefully be addressed over time by tagging the article for notability.--Northernhenge (talk) 13:23, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Seems to have been in (in a sufficent role) enough notable films, TV and theatrical performances to warrant a little article. I have tried to add some refs but there is not much in them - but perhaps enough to allow a keep. (Msrasnw (talk) 06:07, 11 October 2011 (UTC))


 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ENT, as far as I can tell. In truth, web search indicates that France has any number of Nicolas Moreau's--other Nicolas Moreau's. Subject does have a lengthy list of of credits, but they are virtually all bit parts in non-notable projects, with just a few supporting roles--in non-notable projects. Handful of stage roles. If substantial WP:RS sources can be uncovered, I could be convinced otherwise, however, his French WP entry has also been flagged for lack of sources. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 23:46, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahhhh.... the "trick" to separate them out is to be more specific in searches by combining his name with the names of his known works. For instance, "Nicolas Moreau"+"Lady Chatterley" brings us hints for deeper searches, as does "Nicolas Moreau"+"Le refuge". But digging does take time.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 10:13, 12 October 2011 (UTC)




 * Comment My digging has only just begun... We have a French "acteur" and sound editor who as an actor has appeared in multiple film and television productions and as sound editor has worked many more... all of which seem to be productions notable in France, despite the poor shape of his article on a non-English Wikipedia. I'll see what I can do to see if he meets WP:ENT. His 2007 César Awards (THE national film award of France) nomination for sound editor on the 2006 French film Lady Chatterly, might be seen to meet WP:ANYBIO. I've never before heard of this fellow, but WP:UNKNOWNHERE does not mean he's unknown there, and notable to France is notable enough for en.Wikipedia. I'll be back.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 10:13, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your searching here, I'd likely back to at least neutral on this if we could reliably verify the nomination, and I hope we can. I made an attempt at the Cesar web page, there was extensive coverage of the 32nd Cesar awards in reliable news sources but none I found mentioned Nicolas. It's probably even accurate (the nomination, if our page on it, was shared, which probably explains part of the reason Moreau flew below the news radar there), but I'm not entirely comfortable with "probably."  I don't need fifteen pages of search results, I've tried to dig through those myself. What I need is a single reliable source for it. That I've never heard of the fellow played no part in my nomination, the three or four thousand unsourced BLPs I've added sources to have almost uniformly been people I've never heard of, and a surprising number of them were in cultures with far less on-line news coverage than France.  --joe deckertalk to me 22:31, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Not a news source, but IMDb (again) lists his award nomination at http://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000157/2007 --Northernhenge (talk) 23:16, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Found a news source (Agence France Presse) but it's in French.

Agence France Presse 26 janvier 2007 vendredi 11:21 AM GMT César 2007: "Indigènes", "Lady Chatterley" et "Ne le dis à personne" favoris LONGUEUR: 373 mots ORIGINE-DEPECHE: PARIS 26 jan 2007 ... "Lady Chatterley" est en compétition pour les César suivants: meilleure actrice et espoir féminin, Marina Hands, réalisateur, Pascale Ferran, son (Jean-Jacques Ferran, Nicolas Moreau, Jean-Pierre Laforce), photo (Julien Hirsch), décors (François-Renaud Labarthe), costumes (Marie-Claude Altot) et adaptation (Pascale Ferran, Roger Bohbot, Pierre Trividic). ... --Northernhenge (talk) 23:48, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There's nothing wrong with sources in French. They're not preferred, but they're equally valid in terms of WP:V.   --joe deckertalk to me 00:08, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep as original nominator based on Agence France Presse source verifying co-nomination for César award (but add to the article where you found that source, since you didn't say, please. Thanks! )  --joe deckertalk to me 00:08, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
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