Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicole, South African Mucisian


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  Singu larity  03:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Nicole, South African Mucisian

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Fails Criteria for musicians and ensembles on Notability (music) Triwbe (talk) 07:51, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. This appears to be true. The page is also devoid of any sort of third-party support or mention so far as I can tell offhand. - Vianello (talk) 07:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 08:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete. Nicole works independant of record companies and hence does everything herself, from production, distribution to marketing of all her shows and CD's - Elnu (talk) 10:07, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'm not sure how this is relevant. Would you mind expanding on that point a bit? - Vianello (talk) 08:11, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply. From the notability requirements that are established it will be hard for an independant musician to every be listed on wikipedia, its much more difficult and hard work when you work independant of big record companies especially in South Africa, hence I feel that the article shouldn't deleted just because it doesn't satisfies the notability criteria. All the information can be verified from her website and by simple email to her. - Elnu (talk) 10:16, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply. Unfortunately, verifiability isn't the issue, it's noteability. And yes, it IS difficult for obscure artists to become notable. That's part of the very definition of obscurity. But the idea that a non-notable artist should have the notability criteria relaxed for them simply because they are non-notable is an unfathomable contortion of logic. If that were the case, there would be no purpose to notability criteria in the first place. To avoid cluttering this up any further, I'll consider my piece on this matter spoken. - Vianello (talk) 08:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong delete - Per above. The creator should note that her status is irrelevant.   Asenine   12:00, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  16:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  16:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


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