Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nida Sameer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Geo News. This is a tricky one. Whilst being completely aware of WP:CSB, the fact remains that the article has no independent third party sources at all. That doesn't mean they don't exist, of course. Therefore I suggest redirecting the article to Geo News for the time being, keeping the edit history, so that it can be quickly recreated if suitable sources are found Black Kite 13:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Nida Sameer

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Contested PROD. Searches do not yield reliable, significant coverage. I can only find two mentions on Google News, one mentioning that she is a presenter on a programme called "51%" and the other in a list of names "Some renowned figures including ... Nida Sameer". Insufficient evidence of notability. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 16:28, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions.  —--  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 16:31, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  —--  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 16:31, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Keep. I'm the person who contested the PROD, and I noted at Talk:Nida Sameer that the person is clearly a TV presenter. Numerous links provided at Talk demonstrate that. Also, I posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pakistan asking for others to add to the article. I don't see any evidence the AFD nominator considered those facts, or saw the Talk. The AFD nom statement appears to be cut and pasted from the PROD nomination, without updating for additional info provided. AFD seems inappropriate, even if article is not well developed and remains as a stub for a while, as the person appears notable. --doncram (talk) 16:35, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned in both the PROD and on the talk page, I did look for reliable sources. I have never said that she is a TV presenter - one of the 2 news links I found said that. However, without reliable sources showing her notability, we have no way of knowing how notable she is. "Appears notable" is not listed at Notability or WP:ENTERTAINER as a reason for keeping an article! The criteria is significant coverage in general - and for ENTERTAINER, the person: Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions., Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following. or Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. I could find no evidence of any of these - and if you can find evidence at reliable sources, then add them to the article. The article has been lying around unsourced for almost 3 years - if there are sources, they need to be added. If not, this article needs to be deleted. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 16:42, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - Is there any evidence of the popularity of Geo News as stated but not referenced in its article? Furthermore, is there a notable controversity serounding Nida Sameer, positions she took about things which made the news? Did anyone write her biography? Has she been published in any magazines? Had she won any notable prize for her presentations in the Geo News be it in Pakistan or elsewhere? As it is, there is no evidence from the way the article is presented that she is significantly notable. -RobertMel (talk) 17:52, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't frankly know. I tend to doubt that there are many Pakistani news presenters having Wikipedia articles, relative to Americans or Brits, and I expect there are very few female Urdu-speaking news presenters covered.  Checking List of news presenters, my guess is that she is one of the most important people in that area.  I don't like the general idea of deleting off a positive mention of a female Pakistani who actually does have some prominence as a presenter, and even some apparent fan following.  I think it is enough to leave.  The issue here, really for all the people present I believe, is that there is a big push on BLP unsourced.  This article was the one oldest in the current list of about 42,000 in the category.  Now I have removed it from category BLP unsourced by removing the tag.  SO, now, please everyone should let this go, wait for Urdu-speaking people to show up in their good time, to develop this article.  It seems unhelpful / unfriendly / American-centric / whatever to go after a perfectly nice, non-offensive article that raises no BLP issues. --doncram (talk) 20:38, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


 * While her article has certainly come to light due to the recent BLP focus, I don't see how that affects the question of whether or not she is notable now that it has been posed. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment I will happily admit that I came across this article as it was one of the oldest unreferenced BLPs - but my aim was to try to find sources to save it. If you look at my other BLP contributions in the last week, you'll see:
 * Found references: Yasuro_Kikuchi, Mantra (actress), Michel Murat, Lee Sedol, Mayumi Ozaki, Alfredo J. Ramos Campos, Michał Tomala, Scott leckie, Derwich Ferho (also contested PROD)
 * Contested PROD: Justin Lanning (musician)
 * Supported PROD: Yevgeni Mokhorev, T. W. Hard, Temorshah Hassan, Klovis Herboso
 * Proposed for deletion, as no sources found: Nida Sameer, Naoki Sano, Scott Hudson (announcer), Herman José
 * Total this week: 10 articles "saved", 8 articles either proposed for deletion (or supported PROD). If reliable sources can be found, I will add them (I'm not sure how reliable Geo.tv is, but I agree with removing the BLP unref tag, but I have added the BLP refimprove tag).
 * I am not a deletionist, but if sources are not available (and all those articles I've listed here have been unsourced for 35-36 months) then I feel they should not be on Wikipedia. YMMV --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 22:27, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 03:35, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete After searching all mentions I can find appear to be in passing or on forums, nothing WP:RELIABLE about her, so she fails WP:GNG. From what I can get from machine translations there doesn't seem to be an article on her at Urdu Wiki or the corresponding Geo News article either...for whatever that's worth. It sounds like she may have a cult following but without a source, she doesn't pass WP:ENTERTAINER. VernoWhitney (talk) 18:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Weak Delete. 'Weak' because (a) systemic bias is an issue here - it's always going to be harder finding English-language sources for an article like this, and (b) a major host of a major TV network 'should' be notable. However, I can't argue with the lack of reliable sources here, and if no significant third-party coverage can be found we must conclude she is non-notable and delete the article. Robofish (talk) 00:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: While finding sources is difficult, I'm not convinced that she isn't notable, and am inclined to believe otherwise just by the mass of adoring comments about her online.--Milowent (talk) 15:13, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Are any of this "mass of adoring comments" at reliable sources? Are any of them from professional journalists or radio/tv presenters? The comments I saw were all from fans, and so would not be covered by WP:RS --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 16:48, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. Due to the lack of coverage.-- Pink Bull  13:58, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't know there isn't coverage, it's just that a few Americans using the U.S.-based version of Google (which differs from version in Europe i know, and probably from any Urdu version) haven't been able to find good reliable sources easily. I expect there is plenty of mention of this person in Urdu language newspapers and other sources, not immediately available to us.  The basic facts that this person is a presenter is proven vividly by videos available from fan-sites.  I voted Keep above, but to repeat, I think this should be left for dual speakers of both Urdu and English to develop, when they find their way here, rather than deleted as part of the rush to address BLP unsourced article category (which this was previously in). --doncram (talk) 17:13, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.