Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nidal Fadlallah


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While WP:NFOOTY is generally a lower bar than WP:GNG, meeting it nonetheless requires evidence from sources reliable enough to satisfy WP:V. There is consensus that such evidence is absent here. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Nidal Fadlallah

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The only source that mentions her is the squad list of the called up players for the 2021 Arab Cup. There is no mention of her actually playing a game; she could have just been an unused substitute. Nehme1499 17:59, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 20:04, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - There is an issue here, sources on articles from Sudan would be difficult to get, we need to take time and crosscheck if these articles were just created.@<b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#000080">Nehme</b> Anyway I came across their starting eleven in Arabic from their match against Tunisia., .Ampimd (talk) 17:19, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - Due to the comment I stated above, I vote that it should be kept. نضال is the arabic version of Nidal, per the search I have done, the name Nidal and the arabic name matches. per this as well, the image of Nidal in the article matches with Nidal on the starting line-up. Ampimd (talk) 17:19, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think a social media post with "Nidal" is enough, nor is us matching the face with another post. For now, I don't think the article should be kept. Hopefully database websites (namely Global Sports Archive) will add her, so we can verify that she has indeed played a senior international game. <b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#000080">Nehme</b><b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#27B382">1499</b> 17:23, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * There is no database on the 2021 Arab Women's Cup even from Global Sports Archive. Yeah but that does not mean that the person does not meet NFOOTBALL. This is not the first time a social media post has been used to verify a statement. Once I have got an some information that verifies that's the person, that's my vote. Ampimd (talk) 17:38, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The competition itself is there, just not the match details (for now); they'll probably add them in the near future. <b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#000080">Nehme</b><b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#27B382">1499</b> 17:42, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

<p class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 17:59, 14 November 2021 (UTC) <p class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer (talk) 13:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL per playing for her national team - see comments above. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:55, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: Per discussion above and acknowledging that definitive sources are difficult to come by, it seems extremely likely that this footballer has played for her national team and therefore meets WP:NFOOTY. Seany91 (talk) 09:03, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't understand this argument. Just because it's difficult to find sources, doesn't mean we should lower our standards. A Facebook post with "Nidal" is anything but a reliable source to prove that the player has played at the international level. <b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#000080">Nehme</b><b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#27B382">1499</b> 09:20, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It's also important to note that NFOOTY doesn't superseed GNG, which this article does not satisfy at all. <b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#000080">Nehme</b><b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#27B382">1499</b> 10:10, 26 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep: i recently add the official squad starting list for 2 match pub by sudan official federation. Amara94 (talk) 10:10, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * where is Nidal mentioned in these new sources? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:20, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * uhm, why did you sign with my own signature?? <b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#000080">Nehme</b><b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#27B382">1499</b> 15:24, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * sorry i m still neew here so if yo check facebook and tweeter you find her in arabic langage نضال" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amara94 (talk • contribs)
 * There is a lot of unsourced info in the article. Where did you find her date of birth, or the fact that she is an attacking midfielder? We are basically dealing with an article whose notability depends on a Facebook post that says "Nidal". I can't see how this is enough to confer notability. <b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#000080">Nehme</b><b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#27B382">1499</b> 16:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment - I agree with Nehme's concerns. While it's likely that there is a 'Nidal' from the social media posts, we essentially have an unsourced BLP here that clearly violates WP:V and WP:NOR - these are Wikipedia policies and therefore supersede any essays and even any guidelines. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:58, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia should err on the side of verifiability, meaning that we shouldn't reiterate what a barely intelligible source says and massage it into what could possibly be the reality, because we have some urgent need for this particular page. It doesn't hurt to wait a bit until a more unequivocal source surfaces. Geschichte (talk) 21:07, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:V; all living people should have at least one reliable source verifying at least one statement from the article. WP:NOR also applies; the entire article, from top to bottom, is the creator's own original research and we have no way of confirming whether any of it is correct. I believe that these two policies supersede any guidelines or essays that people may attempt to use to keep this article. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:55, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Facebook posts in no way count toward notability, and the mere existence of a player who might have been capped at a national level does not overcome our requirement for actual coverage. A region's football players may be undercovered on wiki because their media have other priorities; enforcing our expectation of notability based on how much attention players in the West get doesn't suddenly conjure up encyclopedic biographical material. JoelleJay (talk) 19:21, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


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