Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nightbirde


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The result was keep. Withdrawn by nominator. Multiple years of coverage by reliable sources precludes WP:BLP1E argument. (non-admin closure) Ifnord (talk) 03:55, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Nightbirde

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Non-notable singer and a case, however tragic, of WP:BLP1E. She is notable for a single performance on an American reality contest show. She gave the performance while suffering with cancer; despite having a guaranteed place on the show, had to drop out. All very sad, all very compelling reality television I'm sure, but this is a clear case of WP:BLP1E. As the reality show itself is not a reliable source, she has received no significant coverage in independent sources. I also want to draw editor's attention to the fact that many of the cited sources are NBC affiliates. Because the show is an NBC show, these are ads disguised as news; only these sources contain her basic biographical details. While we would normally treat the NBC affiliates are independent, secondary sources, I feel we are constrained to not do so in this case for the purpose of establishing notability. To explain why WP:PROD is inappropriate: User:137.27.65.235 and User:GUtt01 are fiercely duking out a dispute over the article title over on, and are likely to challenge a PROD. We need a formal AfD consensus. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 00:43, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. This is a case of WP:BLP1E. Sadly an unfortunate waste of time for the two editors that engaged in the massive argument if this gets deleted, but this just isn't a notable enough person. Waddles 🗩 🖉 01:17, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep per sources provided below and since article was updated/expanded. Original neutral nomination: There are other contestants on various shows less notable than her with articles from past seasons that this applies to. I checked around and see there are more things to add to her article but not sure the sources are reliable enough to expand it. Regardless, she is notable enough to include on AGT16's article whether it links to an/her article or not. If deleted, her song should be added to AGT S:16. My issue with GUtt01 was removing her name and changing the link to her article in the past. Thank you! 137.27.65.235 (talk) 02:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Yet if any one thing makes her stand out in a world of nearly 8 billion people, it is her stunning spirit and positive attitude while facing what her doctors say is a 2% chance of survival.

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject was notable before she appeared on season 16 of America's Got Talent in 2021. She received coverage in 2012, 2013, and 2019 under the names Nightbirde, Jane Marczewski, and Jane Claudio. She has received significant coverage in numerous reliable sources in 2021 after her appearance on America's Got Talent. The sources include international sources like the South China Morning Post and the Manilla Bulletin. Sources published before 2021   The article notes: "Jane Marczewski penned her first song lyrics at the tender age of 6, after her mother got stumped while writing a tune about the Christmas star for a local church production. ... says the Ohio native, now 21. ... Marczewski and her three siblings were no strangers to music growing up, and could get their hands on just about any instrument needed for an aspiring musician’s quest for songwriting dominance. ... But that hasn’t stopped the Liberty University senior from trying. With the release of her three-song EP earlier this year, the singer/guitarist/pianist set out to examine the forces that she says have the ability to enact change, both admirable and fleeting."  The article notes: "When I caught up with local singer/songwriter Jane Marczewski last November, she was raising money through a Kickstarter campaign to fund the recording of her new EP, "Ocean&Sky." ... After spending a week in December laying down tracks for "Ocean&Sky" at a studio in her native Ohio, the 22-year-old Liberty grad emerged with a collection of songs that showcase her tendencies toward fusing folk idioms, pop sensibilities and the deeply pensive admissions she incorporates into her compositions."  The article notes: ""What a wild story this is,” musician and poet Jane Claudio writes in the opening line of her poem, “White Stag.” ... Claudio, who performed here under her maiden name, Jane Marczewski, while a student at Liberty University from 2009 to 2013, was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2017. Her diagnosis, and eventual recovery, became part of a larger journey she began in Lynchburg, where she’ll return Saturday to open for Tori Kelly at the Vines Center, performing under her new stage name, Nightbirde." <li> The article notes: "On Tuesdays, Claudio helps out with a Bible study and life skills classes and sometimes sings for the inmates. “It’s just a little bit draining,” she said. “These women’s stories are a lot to hear. That’s where I’m coming from.” Claudio—Jane Marczewski when she lived in Lynchburg—has a story of her own. It’s one that started in 2009 at Liberty University, where she confessed she was “never quite good enough to make it on any of the music teams,” and came full circle when she opened for Grammy winner Tori Kelly at Liberty’s Vines Center on April 6. ... So, toward the end of 2014, Claudio made a decision: She’d go home to Ohio for a couple months and then it was Music City or bust. Once at home, however, she met and fell in love with fellow musician Jeremy Claudio and two months stretched into nearly a year. They married and moved to Nashville together in 2015."</li> <li> The article notes: "Many musicians go through an evolution at some point, a natural change over time as they mature with their art. But 2013 Liberty University alumna Jane (Marczewski) Claudio, who performs as Nightbirde, describes her artistic shift as a resurrection. ... In July 2018, Claudio was declared cancer-free. With a renewed perspective, she went back to writing music. In March, she dropped her first single as Nightbirde, “Girl in a Bubble.”"</li> <li> This article has a short mention of the subject. The article notes: "Jane Marczewski of Long Beach said she heard about it on Instagram. Marczewski recently moved to Southern California from Nashville after she was diagnosed with breast cancer and was given three to six months to live. “My husband left me shortly after that and I was devastated,” she said. Marczewski says she “miraculously” became cancer-free just four months after going through alternative treatments combined with a mild dose of chemotherapy."</li> <li> The article notes: "Singer-songwriter Jane Claudio, 28, is one of Nashville's newer acts. A young woman with a rollercoaster story filled with trial and bravery, Claudio has had to overcome great lows to become who she is today. She has evolved sonically over the years into an electro-pop palette, colorizing her folky beginnings with a wave of tasteful synth and ambitious post-modern swells. It's almost like Lorde meets Daft Punk with a smidgen of Taylor Swift."</li> <li> The article notes: "While "Girl In a Bubble" was written largely as an emotional response to her first remission, "IT'S OK" aims to put as much distance between her and the past year as possible—"I blow through yellow lights and don't look back at all." Letting her voice play for the first time in months, she stands by calmly as it carefully scopes out its new neon colored surroundings, teasing the sparkling synths with quick pace changes and blithe commentary."</li> </ol>

Sources published after 2021 <ol> <li> The article notes: "If there’s anyone that exemplifies beauty both inside and out, it’s Nightbirde. The singer, born Jane Marczewski, flew onto the world’s radar when she sang about her struggle with cancer on season 16 of America’s Got Talent. ... Marczewski has certainly shown ample bravery in her life so far. The 30-year-old singer-songwriter was first diagnosed with cancer in 2017, which was treated and pronounced medically cleared. By early January 2020, however, she was told that her cancer had returned and spread to her liver, lungs and spine. Two weeks after that, her husband asked for a divorce, which pushed things to the breaking point for her."</li> <li> The article notes: "After announcing her exit from America's Got Talent season 16 to focus on her health, Jane Marczewski, a.k.a. Nightbirde, appeared on CNN's Cuomo Prime Time to give fans an update on how she's doing now."</li> <li> The article notes: "On Wednesday night, Nightbirde appeared on CNN with Chris Cuomo, revealing a bit more specifics regarding her condition. But she also doubled down on her message of optimism."</li> <li> The article notes: "Just about a month ago Singer Jane Marczewski performed on the TV show “America’s Got Talent.” Her message has taken the Internet by storm. Jane goes by the stage name of Nightbirde. Her original song, “It’s OK,” tells her personal story of a 30-year-old with cancer and only a 2 percent chance of survival. ... Like Nightbirde, how many of us have tried to run away from reality only to discover that reality is tenacious and hanging on to our shirttail the entire time?"</li> <li> The article notes: ""America's Got Talent" star Jane Marczewski has withdrawn from the competition due to health issues as she battles cancer. "America's Got Talent" star Jane Marczewski has withdrawn from the competition due to health issues as she battles cancer."</li> <li> The article notse: "But Jane did get married—to a fellow musician Jeremy Claudio back in 2015. They had a lovely intimate wedding in an old building from the 1920s in Newark, Ohio."</li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> </ol>

There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Nightbirde (known as Jane Marczewski and previously as Jane Claudio) to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 05:13, 19 September 2021 (UTC) </li></ul>


 * Delete per nom and WP:BLP1E. This article is about a person who had a significant role in a non-significant event, which was a single audition episode of America's Got Talent. She performed only once and did not return to the show to perform in the quarterfinals.  She has a sad story, but not a unique or encyclopedically significant one. -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:02, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Based on reading WP:BLP1E that a few people here put forward in reasoning. I think what we have found is possibly a problem with talent show programs - people may sometimes create articles for people who come on for one appearance, without considering waiting to see if they are involved in more than just that program. Furthermore, this article is becoming a like a lightning rod, and I don't think the dispute between myself and the IP will end unless either we come to an agreement, or the cause of the issue goes away.GUtt01 (talk) 08:36, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I might agree to a Redirect to AGT:S16 article if she should pass away - It would be suitable for coverage in that article, under a section regarding incidents. If so, there would notable coverage about how she felt regarding her withdrawal, and on Simon Cowell's opinion on the matter, prior to the possible event. If not agreeable with others, then fair enough. GUtt01 (talk) 10:55, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

<ul><li>Comment on why WP:BLP1E does not apply: Biographies of living persons (WP:BLP1E) says: Wikipedia is not news, or an indiscriminate collection of information. Being in the news does not in itself mean that someone should be the subject of a Wikipedia article. We generally should avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met:
 * 1) If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event.
 * 2) If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual. ...
 * 3) If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented. ... Nightbirde does not meet WP:BLP1E because she does not meet the clause "reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event". She received substantial coverage in The News & Advance in 2012, 2013, and 2019, in Earmilk in 2019 and 2020. She also received coverage in the Lynchburg Living and the Liberty Journal in 2019. The articles discuss her career (including her extended play and her single) and her personal life. She was already notable before her appearance on season 16 of America's Got Talent in 2021. Her appearance led to her receiving substantial media coverage, including in the international sources the South China Morning Post and the Manila Bulletin. Regarding "Furthermore, this article is becoming a like a lightning rod, and I don't think the dispute between myself and the IP will end unless either we come to an agreement, or the cause of the issue goes away." – editorial disputes over the article should have no bearing on whether the article is retained. Cunard (talk) 09:09, 19 September 2021 (UTC)</li></ul>
 * Comment: Perhaps we might see whether the subject of the article fits one of the criteria of WP:MUSICBIO or WP:REALITYSINGER, if WP:BLP1E is not sufficient an argument for this AfD per Cunard's argument? GUtt01 (talk) 10:59, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The subject passes Notability (music), which says a musician "may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria" including "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself". WP:REALITYSINGER says, "Singers and musicians who are only notable for participating in a reality television series may be redirected to an article about the series, until they have demonstrated that they are independently notable." The guideline does not support deletion or redirection of this article since the subject was already notable prior to her appearance on the reality television series. Cunard (talk) 11:05, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Notable project: Leonard Knight: A Man & His Mountain (provided music in this film) 137.27.65.235 (talk) 04:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. I used sources provided by to expand the article; her career received coverage for years before her appearance on the America's Got Talent audition, and together with the explosion of coverage after the audition and her withdrawal from the show, there is no doubt she meets GNG, plus there is enough material on her life, which isn't always the case with performers. In addition to Nightbirde and Jane Marczewski, she has performed as Jane Claudio, so there may be more to be found by searching under that name. Yngvadottir (talk) 10:04, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I would like to withdraw this nomination based on research done by /. Should the community feel discussion ought to continue, consider my !vote changed to neutral. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 17:59, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: Can this be closed and the template removed from Nightbirde's article? Thanks! 137.27.65.235 (talk) 07:27, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Why would you delete this page? For obvious reasons her career was cut very short. There will be no more details other than a death notice. She was beautiful, talented, she deserves a mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oregrozmar (talk • contribs) 03:52, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


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