Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nightwolf (2nd nomination)


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The result was merge to List of Mortal Kombat characters. Consensus is this can be covered within the list. Star  Mississippi  17:58, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Nightwolf

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Not sure how the 2nd nom works, but I'm open for criticism on this nom. After the last afd nom was kept as "no consensus," the merge arguments, like those from Czar, Beemer69 and Zxcvbnm, seem to be more accurate, and the article looks almost the same since the nom. There were no improvements at all. An IGN source was the only good thing here, but TheGamer source is weak. Which the article still fails Significant coverage. The Eurogamer which discussing him as a dlc is kinda meh. Most of the sources provided were trivial or user submissions. Since the article was kept as "no consensus," I would reinstate it again and want a clear consensus. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 05:52, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 05:55, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 05:55, 8 April 2023 (UTC)undefined
 * Merge to List of Mortal Kombat characters. Reception has not been improved since last year, probably because there is almost nothing in the vein of significant coverage. The part about him being a stereotype can be shortened to one sentence as most of the sources are low-effort hot takes, not well-reasoned discussion. Most of the article's plot summary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:06, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: Just like last time. Even if with discounting TheGamer, that still leaves the other sources brought up last time, such as the ones brought up by Haleth and myself. MoonJet (talk) 02:38, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: I believe it meets GNG and SIGCOV.KatoKungLee (talk) 19:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Passing mention after passing mention does not SIGCOV make. The quick immediate example is the very first sentence of reception, Nightwolf is often unfavorably discussed in the context of the portrayal of Native Americans in video games.. This is sourced to The Escapist, and quotes an interviewee as Dillon says Nightwolf from Mortal Kombat 3 was the lone native character she remembers from childhood.. No actual commentary specific to Nightwolf was even given. Much of the rest of the sources follow a similar trend of mentioning the stereotypes and not diving further. Most of them are large top 20 or even longer lists ("Ranked 51 on the top 73 MK characters!"). There's a huge sentence dedicated to Connor of AC3 that ultimately says nothing about Nightwolf other than in passing as "unlike Nightwolf." Much of this is picked out of reception for the games and movies, and is not independent of those. -- ferret (talk) 02:09, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Mortal Kombat characters. The aforementioned "other sources" have already been reviewed. The character is covered as an ensemble cast member among the series roster with no significance external to the series, and thus should be covered in that context. The prolific gaming press's breathless coverage of standard DLC itself does not confer independent notability for either the DLC or the character. The same way, a series character's appearance in related series media does not warrant a dedicated article to house that coverage. There was no reason to split this from the parent character list (whether a dedicated character list or within the series article's character section), as there isn't a preponderance of coverage that sets this character apart from every other Mortal Kombat series character. It can all—including the ethnic stereotyping sources—be covered evenly in its existing article before warranting a split for undue weight. Masters theses, thegamer.com, and so on: Not acceptable sources for an encyclopedia. czar  05:41, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to the MK character list, as was my vote the first time around (sakes, has it really been eight months already?). I recently added the new reception but stereotyping aside — and even that, I discovered, isn't terribly in-depth despite being notable sources — Nightwolf hasn't really done much of anything as a whole despite his long tenure in the series, with his only Big Moment being in 2011 when he offed himself along with Sindel. Long story short, the well is unfortunately all but pumped dry. (As an off-topic aside about VG sources, since TheGamer has been brought up, I'm not sure why DualShockers is regularly used as a source when it's also not certified notable.) sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  22:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge Once again, another non-notable MK character. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:13, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. My position on this topic has not changed since the last AfD which was cited by the OP in their nomination rationale. Haleth (talk) 23:08, 14 April 2023 (UTC)


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