Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nikolai Laursen


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 20:40, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Nikolai Laursen

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested on the grounds that he had played for Brondby in the Danish Cup. However, since the match in question was a against a lower non-fully-pro-league club, it does not confer notability. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:16, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:17, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand your point, and thats not true. Im from Denmark, and I do know danish football very well. The club became a professional club in the winter 2014, when the old Brøndby IF sportschef Ole Bjur came to the club, after he was fired in BIF because of due to economic reasons. He invested money, and gave all of the players in the squad new professional contracts.You can read about it on the source, i had linked.

But back to the topic. I think that is a notable article, because he began training with the first team squad when he was only 15 years old, and got his debut when he was 16 years old. Sorry, if my english isn't the best. Fodbold-fan (talk) 19:36, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I have seen many other articles with footballers, who was written about, just when they got debut for the first team even if it was in a cup match, so i do not understand why this is a problem. I would agree, if it was a friendly match or something like that. But it was in a cup match, against a team, who once played in the Danish Superliga.
 * Let me start by saying that other stuff exists is not a valid argument. Each article is to evaluated on its on merits. I have not seen the other articles you refer to, but there is a distinct possibility that some of them should have been deleted as well. The notability issue here stems from point 2 of WP:NFOOTBALL which says Players who have played, and managers who have managed in a fully professional league, will generally be regarded as notable. In the case of Denmark this means a match in the Superliga (see WP:FPL for details). While not technically included in the wording of the guideline, there is a long standing consensus that the guideline also applies to competitive matches between clubs that at the time played in fully pro leagues. The idea being that it would be pretty silly to have a match between say Brondby and Randers to confer notability in one competition, but not in another later the same season. Deletion discussions on: Edson Almeida, Milancy Khongstia, Alexandru Chiriță, and Jamie Harney are recent examples of this rule being applied both the keep articles that meet its criteria and delete articles that don't. This article falls into the latter category. Since his cup appearance was against Fremad Amager, who do not currently play in the Superliga, neither the WP:NFOOTBALL guideline nor the cup exception applies. I hope that makes things more clear. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:26, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I do stil understand your point, but i have to maintain, that he has played for the first team and played a official match for the first team. It wasn't a friendly match, so you can say what you want, its stil a professional and official debut match that he did play. He has also played several matches for the youth national teams of Denmark. I can see, that those other players you linked haven't played any nt games. He still has played this official match for Brøndby IF, and im sure, that it isn't the last one, he is a huge talent in Denmark. If we delete it, it will be 100% sure, that he will be created again soon. I think that he will get many matches in the next year. Or probably be loaned out. Fodbold-fan (talk) 20:49, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete - Player fails WP:NFOOTY as has not played in a fully professional league, nor senior international football. No indication of any other achievements that have garnered sufficient, significant coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. His cupappearance for Brondby was not in a match featuring two teams from FULLY professional leagues. Regardless of his talent and whether he may or may not play in future, currently he does not satisfy any guideline for notability. Fenix down (talk) 16:57, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 08:58, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Move to Draftspace - he's sitting on the bench for fully professional matches, so he's close. Likely will be notable soon, so let's put the article in draft space where it can be prepared and moved over when he makes a fully professional start (against a fully professional squad). Nfitz (talk) 23:47, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 00:57, 27 March 2015 (UTC) Keep Application of NFOOTBALL is incredibly nitpicky in this case. It is close enough and even arguing about it is a waste of time.Cptnono (talk) 18:23, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * This application is a fairly WP:NSPORT is a fairly well-established consensus, and exists for a reason. The early rounds of national cup competitions where non-FPL clubs can play against FPL clubs generally receive far less coverage than the later rounds and are frequently used to test out young players who are by no means ready to play in a league setting yet. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:33, 1 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not seeing the in-depth, significant coverage... Neutralitytalk 00:37, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:17, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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