Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nil Eryılmaz


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The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 08:55, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Nil Eryılmaz

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Fails WP:NHOCKEY. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:26, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete: Fails NHOCKEY, no evidence the subject meets the GNG.   Ravenswing   06:14, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep: Passes WP:GNG. Not certain what ravenswing assessment was made on, especially as before efforts to more clearly establish notability were done, the existing article had a link to a national newspaper, Hürriyet, covering the national team, with a mention of Eryılmaz.  Other sources that establish notability include Haberler, a major online newspaper in Turkey,  Doğan Haber Ajansı, a Turkish news agency, Sportstv, a national sports publication, Erzurum Gazetesi, a local newspaper, Bursada Bugün, another local newspaper, and Çayyolu Haber, a national news magazine.  These were found on the first two pages of Google results, and there are pages more with references from Turkish media on both a local and national level. --LauraHale (talk) 12:58, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Look. Stop.  Just please stop.  You are a veteran editor with serious experience, and I am just flabbergasted that you are tossing up these sources in AfD after AfD that you know full well (or should) do not satisfy the GNG.  A mere mention of the subject's name does not meet the GNG, period, ever, whether the source involved is a blogger or the largest circulation newspaper in the continent.  A list in a roster does not meet the GNG, period, ever.  The GNG holds that: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." (emphasis mine)  Not a single source you've thrown up in any of these AfDs provides significant, non-trivial coverage to any of the subjects.   Ravenswing   01:49, 15 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Passes WP:GNG per the sources provided by . It is obvious nominator doesn't read WP:BEFORE, or else just doesn't care. Smartyllama (talk) 16:12, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: I would love to see the sources that and  claim meet GNG. I read every single one currently on her article and none of them mention her more than once other than the stats page (and the last only list her as a member of a team). This is strictly WP:ROUTINE coverage (most of the articles are brief summaries of game matches with her name listed among those that scored) and nothing with significant coverage as required and defined by the GNG (Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material). Yosemiter (talk) 17:34, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - Plays for national team in Turkey. I don't see that WP:NHOCKEY applies to the majority of women ice hockey players if you look at its affiliated essay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is not one top women's league in the world listed at WikiProject Ice Hockey/League assessment. Why is that? Hmlarson (talk) 04:41, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: This has been explained to you more than once, and I can't help it if you're not listening. Firstly, NHOCKEY does not, and never has, accorded presumptive notability to playing for a national team; Criterion #6 states "Played on a senior national team for the World Championship, in the highest pool the IIHF maintained in any given year."  The Turkish women's team has never played for the World Championship. Secondly -- and this has been explained to you as well -- Criterion #2 refers to two specific periods in hockey history: the 19th century pre-professional Canadian leagues, and the Cold War era where the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia required their players to play in domestic amateur-only leagues. Finally -- and this likewise has been explained to you -- the reason that women's leagues aren't listed in NHOCKEY/LA is that nowhere in the world does women's hockey receive enough coverage to be able to declare every player who's ever played in such a league presumptively notable, and individual players must rise and fall with the GNG; it's unfortunate, but the world has neither asked you nor me what it's supposed to consider worthy of note.  Would you like to propound a valid ground upon which to keep?   Ravenswing   05:20, 18 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - Fails WP:NHOCKEY No indication of wide GNG. Article is well referenced, however all sources are essentially databases, stat sites or brief routine mentions. Would challenge other editors to provide a single instance of a significant, dedicated article on the player that might be used to support GNG. Fenix down (talk) 08:53, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Clearly fails NHOCKEY, and the notion that this player passes GNG is just plain silly. I viewed all the references used above and they all prove that Nil exists, and plays hockey, but that is about it.18abruce (talk) 19:59, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm going to make almost the exact same argument I made for deleting the Sinem Yalçındağ article. I am also having trouble finding English language sources to satisfy WP:GNG. The level of competition doesn't seem to satisfy WP:NHOCKEY.  The Turkish sources described above do not seem to be any indepth profiles of her, but merely routine coverage of the team.  The clincher for me is that she has no article on the Turkish Wikipedia, even with all the Turkish language sources used for this article. I know the Turkish Wikipedia has been blocked since April, but if her career had been notable up to that point, wouldn't there be something about her there? Can a Turkish player who is not considered notable enough for a Turkish article be notable enough for an English one? TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  18:48, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. I don't find the argument "if [one or another female hockey player in a Turkish semi-professional league] were notable, there would already be an article about her in the Turkish Wikipedia" compelling. New articles about notable topics are still being added to the English Wikipedia every day; not all of them are newly notable on the day their article goes live, either. The lack of an article is not ipso facto proof that one was proposed and rejected as lacking notability. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 20:50, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd agree with you if that were the only criteria we were using. I'm saying that after we've exhausted English sourcing and still can't agree, that it's one more argument tipping the scales against notability. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  21:05, 21 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Does not meet WP:NHOCKEY or WP:NSPORTS. Routine sports coverage (which is all that is provided) is insufficient to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 03:02, 22 August 2017 (UTC)


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