Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nils Hämmerli


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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 07:35, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Nils Hämmerli

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Fails WP:GNG, just a man with a job The Banner talk 14:54, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep As Leader of the Patrouille Suisse, its work on the Air14, Chief of the F-5 fleet of the swiss air Force, Chief Air Defense clearly notable. also covered in enough Books:

FFA P-16 (talk) 15:18, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Peter Bosshard, Donat Achermann: Menschen Maschinen Missionen: Geschichten vom Militärflugplatz Dübendorf 1914-2014., Egg bei Zürich 2014, ISBN 978-3-033-04653-5, S. 126
 * Swissness 50 years Patrouille Suisse & 25 years PC-7 TEAM ISBN 978-3-906562-43-8
 * Patrouille Suisse - Backstage, Katsuhiko Tokunaga, Urs Mattle ISBN 978-3-909111-76-3
 * Aridio Pellanda: Ueberwachungsgeschwader  30 Jahre Patrouille Suisse Max Huber, Kerzers  ISBN 3906401219
 * Schweizer Luftwaffe Jahrespublikation 2015, S. 71
 * Schweizer Luftwaffe Jahrespublikation 2011, S. 9–11


 * Delete just another pilot doing a good job but not noteworthy enough for a stand-alone article, very few leaders of aerobatic teams are notable, most references are publicity material for the team (where all team members get a mention not just the leader). MilborneOne (talk) 15:31, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Menschen Maschinen Missionen: Geschichten vom Militärflugplatz Dübendorf 1914-2014.,Schweizer Luftwaffe Jahrespublikation 2015, S. 71,Schweizer Luftwaffe Jahrespublikation 2011, S. 9–11 are NOT writing about him as Patrouille Suisse Leader.FFA P-16 (talk) 15:41, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:40, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:40, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep - he seems to get enough coverage due to his role in Patrouille Suisse to meet GNG. Smmurphy(Talk) 17:02, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Due to his job. The Banner talk 18:21, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * "Due to his job" is definitiv not enough to get commander of the PC-7 Team or the Patrouille Suisse. Also the job as  Chief Air Defense is not a 08/15 pilot's job.FFA P-16 (talk) 19:05, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * "Due to his job" is that he he has to give interviews not because he is interesting but because his job is interesting. The Banner talk 22:19, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * @The Banner:Wrong, Jahrespublikation 2011 and Menschen Maschinen Missionen are writen before he was Commander of the Patrouille Suisse. Also "Due to his job" is not an argument for deletion, because then every articel about an CEO on wikipedia can be deleted because a CEO is also just doing his job.FFA P-16 (talk) 22:34, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * No, my friend, you are wrong. It is definitely an argument to be used. Even with a CEO there should be sources available about the man/woman behind the CEO specifically. When there are only sources about the "the man/woman CEO", than that personon is not notable. Sorry. The Banner talk 23:13, 9 March 2017 (UTC) And please,k could you stop accusing me of wikihounding, as you did on your talkpage? It is unpolite and it is getting a bit silly and pitiful.
 * And we have sources available about the man/woman behind the CEO.. Again in: "Menschen Maschinen Missionen"is written why he stayed at Dübendorf and not moved to Meiringen, its writen that made an apprenticeship as an architectural draftsman and wanted to develop himself in the field of architecture, as a friend once again awakened his interest in the flying who he had had in his childhood. Also its writen that he is a member of the Air Force rockband "Supersonic", comes from Zumikon, is married and has a son and a daughter. So its on paper about his job and about him as person.FFA P-16 (talk) 09:49, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * An article clearly written because of his job, not because the man is so interesting. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 09:55, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * And you are already contradicting yourself, because nobody asks for the existing articles about CEOs (or for Football trainer, etc) what you are trying to fault here.FFA P-16 (talk) 10:14, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * We are discussing the article about Nils Hämmerli. And that article must show his notability on its own, not by a "but-they-do-it-too"-logic. That there are other bad articles is not an excuse to create other bad articles. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 10:47, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Then you should better care about the othe bad ones, because we have here a media coverage who is well enough and again in "Menschen Maschinen Missionen" ist about him as Mensch (Human)  and not about his job.FFA P-16 (talk) 19:23, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That article would never have been there without the job. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 20:05, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:16, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:22, 24 March 2017 (UTC) All literature mentioned is NOT about the person but he happenes to be mentioned for a function (which is the topic instead). Deleted in the german wikipedia.--2A02:1206:45A8:BC00:31D1:EAD7:1963:610 (talk) 19:10, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per insufficient sourcing and having been deleted on de.wiki in what looks to be 2016. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:39, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. After reading this discussion and the German Wikipedia AfD, I don't see sources that cover the man himself in any depth, as opposed to the aerobatic team he is part of. That team, the Patrouille Suisse, is the notable topic covered by the sources.  Sandstein   06:39, 1 April 2017 (UTC)


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